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Penny S
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It's been done in Star Trek. And then they could explore the tyrannicide question of whether another of Davros' persuasion would have filled the void.
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LeRoc
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Penny S: It's been done in Star Trek.
Out of curiosity: in which film/episode? (I'm not being adversarial here; I'm not saying that Dr Who shouldn't rewrite its history. In fact, I think it has already done so a couple of times)
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Penny S: And then they could explore the tyrannicide question of whether another of Davros' persuasion would have filled the void.
Hmm, that would make for an interesting episode! I wouldn't do this with Davros, he is too much connected to the history of the show. But with another tyrant ...?
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Perhaps Omega? Maybe even Rassilon (although that might be stretching it a bit).
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Not too sure I liked the implication of the ending. While the mechanism was clearly foreshadowed, and he's definitely done something similar before. It seems to make the bit before seem a bit actory and not doctory.
Which made the 'oh, I knew it all along' grate a little.
[apologies for the non-clarity from spoiler avoidance]
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Oh, also did anyone think there could have been another option for the 'prophecy of the 2 deadly races' coming true as the doors shut (not that that merger hasn't been made multiple times with multiple effects).
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Penny S
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Star Trek has done it in the new run of films - totally deleted everything involving Vulcans from the beginning with the demolition of Vulcan. (I haven't seen the Cumberbatch one yet, no spoilers, please.)
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I must say I was quite disappointed that Davros survived and consider this one to have been a missed opportunity, as the journey was so much fun.
In finally doing something interesting with Davros (who is normally a bit of a pantomime dictator) in giving him a degree of refelection and even (nearly) regret, I was thinking Moffatt was going to give us something meaty and write Davros out of the series memorably.
Its a characteristic of Moffatt that virtually no one ever actually dies in Who apart from Danny Pink (and from the viewers point of view that could be seen as a mercy killing).
The Doctor has been faced with an unchangeable time and date of death in nearly every Moffat series so far (Shot by River Song ; Killed by Daleks on Trenzelore and now delivering the Confession Dial to Missy in anticipation of his own demise.), as well as magical resurrections from Rory, River Song (sort of) and Strax, and Osgood soon apparently (I don't count Missy as she was always going to reappear).
It inevitable that we have stopped taking the deaths of returning characters too seriously!
Sadly Moffat must consider Davros too essential to lose, but I wish he had been sacrificed, as that would have set a bit of an 'all bets are off' vibe which Moffatt likes to try and generate and usually backtracks on. Even Gallifrey escaped in the end.
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LeRoc
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Jay-Emm: Which made the 'oh, I knew it all along' grate a little.
I definitely agree with this. They could have solved this differently.
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Penny S: Star Trek has done it in the new run of films
Ah yes of course. I've only seen the first film, and I've mostly forgotten about it. I don't think I would like it if Dr Who would do a reboot of this kind.
Another question: did the Doctor pull a man from his wheelchair and leave him on the ground? Is this disturbing?
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Jack o' the Green
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Originally posted by beatmenace:
Sadly Moffat must consider Davros too essential to lose, but I wish he had been sacrificed, as that would have set a bit of an 'all bets are off' vibe which Moffatt likes to try and generate and usually backtracks on. Even Gallifrey escaped in the end.
The same could be said for characters in Buffy and Angel at one time before 'Fred' had her soul utterly destroyed in season 5 of Angel when she was 'infected' with the demon Illyria. I think the scene of her death was very disturbing because of its finality - both in and of itself, and because of the ''all bets are off' vibe' which you mention. Apparently, had it not been the final season before the show was axed, Fred and Illyria would have been separated before Fred died.
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Originally posted by LeRoc:
Another question: did the Doctor pull a man from his wheelchair and leave him on the ground? Is this disturbing?
Strictly, it wasn't a wheelchair but a mobile command console. However, it was also a life support system to which Davros was physically attached (he was left on the ground with wires/pipes trailing from his torso, much like the Borg Queen). Yes, it was a bit unpleasant, but it contrasted with the Doctor's inability to decide whether or not to kill the boy Davros.
I did like the comment that Davros had scoured Skaro for the only chair on the planet - after all, no one there needed to sit down!
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I also think we are forgetting that the Doctor lies. He may have worked out what Davros was going to do, or he may have lied about it. And he didn't say *when* he had worked it out. I still see the Doctor with dying Davros being genuine rather than acting.
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I thought Part 2 of the story was a big improvement on Part 1. Some good old fashioned stuff for the older fans, bu which would have looked new to the younger - I'm thinking of the Clara in the Dalek scenes. There might be complaints about the story's consistency with "established" Dalek history, but then, when has Dalek history ever been consistent?
What's a bit worrying is that, even allowing for the fact that the show was scheduled against the rugby world cup, the ratings are significantly down on last year. What is it that people don't like?
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Penny S
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Originally posted by Athrawes:
I also think we are forgetting that the Doctor lies. He may have worked out what Davros was going to do, or he may have lied about it. And he didn't say *when* he had worked it out. I still see the Doctor with dying Davros being genuine rather than acting.
I think Missy led up to the "when he thought it out" matter when she said how quickly the Doctor could work things out.
And leaving Davros on the ground was a bit questionable.
And relying on someone to come and get him out of the energy extracting apparatus? That didn't look like thinking it out.
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As we were watching on Saturday, Hugal pointed out that we now have a Scottish version of the Master, and a Scottish Doctor. The previous incarnations of the Master have been English (apart from the film, and he was stealing bodies then rather than regenerating).
So the only non-English Doctors had non-English Masters!
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Originally posted by Adeodatus:
I thought Part 2 of the story was a big improvement on Part 1. Some good old fashioned stuff for the older fans, bu which would have looked new to the younger - I'm thinking of the Clara in the Dalek scenes. There might be complaints about the story's consistency with "established" Dalek history, but then, when has Dalek history ever been consistent?
What's a bit worrying is that, even allowing for the fact that the show was scheduled against the rugby world cup, the ratings are significantly down on last year. What is it that people don't like?
Still not terribly impressed. To be honest, I thought that the storyline was a complete shambles, with far too many creations of deus ex machinas.
All in all, I think it was a Dr Who for the aficionados and obsessives. If you're not "in the know", you'd probably get lost very quickly and give up watching.
Give me a rattling good story, a few freaky aliens, a healthy dollop of imagination tinged with scariness and some giggles. Just stop farting around.....
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I enjoyed both episodes.
At the same time, it was silly of Davros not to think of the effect that regeneration energies would have on the sewer daleks.
Missy had me laughing a few times.
I swear I have heard a dalek say "mercy" before though. In "The last dalek in the universe" it says "pity!", at least.
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LeRoc
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Athrawes: I also think we are forgetting that the Doctor lies. He may have worked out what Davros was going to do, or he may have lied about it. And he didn't say *when* he had worked it out. I still see the Doctor with dying Davros being genuine rather than acting.
Hmm, an interesting take on it. I don't think that this is what Moffat intended, usually there are visual clues when the Doctor lies. But hey, we don't have to follow Moffat.
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Latest news about a BBC spin-off called Class, here ...
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So what do you think? Set at Coal Hill School. Is it a spin-off based on Clara to take the place of The Sarah Jane Adventures? I know Jenna Coleman is supposed to be playing Young Queen Vic, but perhaps this would be filmed after that?
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Pine Marten
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Hmmm, this does sound like Sunnydale and Oz's comment on surviving school:
"... to remember that the horrors of the darkest corners of existence are just about on par with having to pass your A-Levels."
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Originally posted by Oscar the Grouch:
Give me a rattling good story, a few freaky aliens, a healthy dollop of imagination tinged with scariness and some giggles. Just stop farting around.....
Having watched the preview clips on the BBC website, it looks like tonight you'll be granted at east some of your wishes. One of the brief clips, that doesn't give away any more spoilers than were in last week's "next time", is very creepy. And writer Toby Whithouse has a good track record.
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LeRoc
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Adeodatus: Having watched the preview clips on the BBC website, it looks like tonight you'll be granted at east some of your wishes.
I thought the same thing. Looking forward to it.
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Originally posted by Adeodatus:
What's a bit worrying is that, even allowing for the fact that the show was scheduled against the rugby world cup, the ratings are significantly down on last year. What is it that people don't like?
I wonder if part of it is to do with timing? The Saturday teatime slot catches families who can settle down together and all find something to enjoy (and how many programmes can you say that about?). The recent move to various times around 7.30 - 8.30 means people have either gone out, the kids are in bed, or people have other reasons for not being in front of the tv. I can't speak for anyone else, but the later time just feels 'wrong' somehow for me, in a way I can't quite put my finger on. It sends out a message that it's for a different audience, that doesn't include children to the same extent. I don't know anything about the repeat and catch-up figures though, so they may well show that I'm talking utter nonsense.
I have to say though that I feel as though the content has been moving in that direction too, with deeper themes being dealt with that need thinking about rather than just an action-adventure show with funny bits, sad bits and scary bits. (I mean, the themes have always been there, but they rather than the actual plot seem to be the focus now.) Maybe that's a bit alienating (argh, no pun intended) for some.
I dunno, I'm probably talking rubbish, just trying to articulate how I feel. Still enjoying it, and Twelve (thirteen? thirteen and a half?) is wonderfully bonkers, just like the Doctor should be!
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Penny S
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I do find that the timing seems a bit odd - but it's due to that tedious dance programme getting all the ratings. Last Sunday, for no apparent reason, both the first two episodes were broadcast in the afternoon instead of car racing, so maybe they are trying to get the usual audience back again. But it's 8.25 tonight.
Wasn't mucking about with transmission times one of the methods they used to get rid of OldWho?
I've been catching up on very old stuff. The Deadly Assassin and Snakedance. Also, accidentally, last Christmas' special, which I suspect will be confusing when I watch today's. Isolated group, strange entities.
Still, there are only so many plots in the universe, aren't there?
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A classic scary one today with youngest Rogueling hiding behind her ipad. Loved it.
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Originally posted by Adeodatus:
What's a bit worrying is that, even allowing for the fact that the show was scheduled against the rugby world cup, the ratings are significantly down on last year. What is it that people don't like?
I don't know about anyone else, but I just got bored with it, I guess. I didn't watch the first two episodes of this new series and haven't felt any sense of loss or regret or any burning need to catch up. Maybe it's been running for too long, maybe it just lost its way, or over-extended itself with too many special effects, celebs and mega-plot-twists, but for me it's just ho-hum, here we go again stuff.
I caught the last 10-15 minutes of tonight's episode and sorry folks, but I wasn't engaged by what I saw and haven't any real interest in watching next week.
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LeRoc
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Nice one! No idea how it will end. Looking forward to them going to the past. I think this metal / magnetic thing is going to be significant.
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Wasn't the young scientist kept out of the alien ship (twice)? Does that mean he's the only one not to have seen the four symbols? And will that be significant?
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I loved it and am looking forward to next week. Which I'm pleased about, because I didn't like the first pair of episodes at all (I loved the set up and the references back to Genesis of the Daleks but thought the rest of the story was a bit lame.)
But I love a good base under siege story with a bit of a twist!
Does anyone else think Missy is great but entirely unlike the Master?
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Originally posted by Penny S:
Last Sunday, for no apparent reason, both the first two episodes were broadcast in the afternoon instead of car racing, so maybe they are trying to get the usual audience back again.
Yes, I thought that was odd, wonder if it will happen again next week?
Wasn't mucking about with transmission times one of the methods they used to get rid of OldWho?
That occurred to me as soon as I'd posted! ![[Paranoid]](graemlins/paranoid.gif)
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LeRoc
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Ann: Wasn't the young scientist kept out of the alien ship (twice)? Does that mean he's the only one not to have seen the four symbols?
Hmm ...
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LeRoc
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The actress who plays Cass really is deaf. As in: wow.
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The actress who plays Cass really is deaf. As in: wow.
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That is awesome. Serious cred to her.
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I thought it was a fantastic episode. Up there with the "Are you my mummy" episode and the introduction of the Weeping Angels.
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Speaking of Star Trek has Dr Who ever done an alternate universe version where the Doctor traipse around messing things up and someone like the Master is busy trying to fix the damage? Could make an interesting place to visit.
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Originally posted by Palimpsest:
Speaking of Star Trek has Dr Who ever done an alternate universe version where the Doctor traipse around messing things up and someone like the Master is busy trying to fix the damage?
The problem with that is that there's not that much more to the Master as a character than the Doctor's slightly camp evil version. So there's be no real difference from the standard universe. I suppose it might be fun to have an alternate universe in which Capaldi was playing the Master and Gomez the Doctor.
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LeRoc
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Palimpsest: Speaking of Star Trek has Dr Who ever done an alternate universe version where the Doctor traipse around messing things up and someone like the Master is busy trying to fix the damage?
From the Master's point of view, this is what happening in our universe ![[Smile]](smile.gif)
Alternate universes have been done by Dr Who, mostly as an explanation of where this week's baddies come from. The interaction of our universe with the one in Season 2 of NuWho (where Rose's father still lived) was a bit more complex.
I don't think that Dr Who has ever done a Trek style mirror universe, where the Doctor is suddenly evil as evidenced by him having a goatee. Perhaps I'm glad they didn't.
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I don't think that Dr Who has ever done a Trek style mirror universe, where the Doctor is suddenly evil as evidenced by him having a goatee. Perhaps I'm glad they didn't.
Not as such, although Inferno came close with an evil version of the Brigadier (wearing an eye patch in lieu of a goatee). They did not show an alternate version of the Doctor in that adventure, although later fan fiction suggested that that alternate world's Leader (seen only as an image on a poster) was the Doctor--and our Doctor realized it because the face was one of the faces that the Time Lords had offered him at the end of The War Games. So, in that universe, the Doctor was still banished to Earth by the Time Lords, but he then decided to take control of the planet.
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And relying on someone to come and get him out of the energy extracting apparatus? That didn't look like thinking it out.
Unless he thought it out earlier than that and had decided that having his enemy borrow his regeneration 'magic' to turn out of control and destroy him - like 'the sorcerer's apprentice', but with bits of Dalek rather than bits of broom. So the plan was for the Daleks to kill Davros, and so the Doctor went with expectation of death without regeneration, and would have done had it not been for Missy.
Since I fell for the interviews Karen Gillan gave when Amy Pond was shot by plastic Rory, I don't believe anything about people saying they are leaving until they do.
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I just watched "Under the Lake".
I dunno, I was put off by the early behaviour of the Doctor and (especially) Clara. Rather too glib. And some of the jokes were really jarring, as in it just felt like someone was standing there with the stopwatch and saying "insert joke here, don't worry about whether it impedes the flow of the story".
On the other hand, what an awesome ending.
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Ann: Wasn't the young scientist kept out of the alien ship (twice)? Does that mean he's the only one not to have seen the four symbols?
Hmm ...
Hmm. Is he the one the ghosts left alone?
I think he is. Although one of my criticisms of the episode is that the characterisation was sufficiently bland that I'm not certain of that.
No vision, no transmission.
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Originally posted by LeRoc:
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Ann: Wasn't the young scientist kept out of the alien ship (twice)? Does that mean he's the only one not to have seen the four symbols?
Hmm ...
Hmm. Is he the one the ghosts left alone?
I think he is. Although one of my criticisms of the episode is that the characterisation was sufficiently bland that I'm not certain of that.
No vision, no transmission.
Yes, they made a big (huge, enormous, I thought fairly unmissable) thing about keeping that particular character out of the ship, and also of doing a funky reflected-glow-symbols-on-eyeball thing every time someone looked up at them.
I was/am assuming it was/is going to be some kind of visual NLP type thing rather than a physical transmission like the inky black eyes from The X Files all those years ago.
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...Although one of my criticisms of the episode is that the characterisation was sufficiently bland that I'm not certain of that... [/QB]
That's not quite fair. There was the clever deaf one, the giggly girly one, the good-looking translatey one and the tall geek. Oh, and the dead ones.
That's more characterisation in 45 minutes than in 3 or 4 Hollywood blockbusters put together.
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If I got it right, giggly girl and tall geek are with the Doctor in the past, while clever deaf woman and her translator are still with Clara under water.
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Originally posted by LeRoc:
If I got it right, giggly girl and tall geek are with the Doctor in the past, while clever deaf woman and her translator are still with Clara under water.
Correct!
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So the Doctor has a potential ace in the hole with tall geek who hadn't seen the message characters and has been dismissed once already by the ghosts.
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Wrong way round - it was translator guy back on base who hadn't seen the words.
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LeRoc
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Ann: Wrong way round - it was translator guy back on base who hadn't seen the words.
Yes, I was a bit confused about this also.
Can't say I'm entirely happy with the conclusion. It feels a bit like a cop-out.
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I really enjoyed this story. Toby Whithouse is a very good writer - his stories are starting to have an identifiably different "feel" to them than much of Moffat's material. I thought the design of the alien was brilliant, but the bit that had me almost jumping off the sofa was (avoiding too much of a spoiler) the ghost dragging the axe along the floor ... ![[Eek!]](eek.gif)
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Ann: Wrong way round - it was translator guy back on base who hadn't seen the words.
Yes, I was a bit confused about this also.
Can't say I'm entirely happy with the conclusion. It feels a bit like a cop-out.
It doesn't help that that's exactly the wrong way to submerge a village in normal conditions (although to be fair the village is a bit unnatural anyway). So the fact that the rest was pretty much forshadowed ...
And it pretty much proved the criticism of the Dr was pretty much exactly right.
But did enjoy much of it, and the axe bit (especially once I got it ![[Hot and Hormonal]](icon_redface.gif) was good)
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