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Wet Kipper
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Someone needs to post a city of size >700,000 to push Hawaii into Danger.
although if we were using that bigger version of Honolulu that Carex mentioned before, posting Something around the 425,000 mark would make California start to look average.
(I can email anyone my spreadsheets, if they're interested ![[Biased]](wink.gif) )
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jedijudy
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Originally posted by Papa Smurf:
Someone needs to post a city of size >700,000 to push Hawaii into Danger.
although if we were using that bigger version of Honolulu that Carex mentioned before, posting Something around the 425,000 mark would make California start to look average.
(I can email anyone my spreadsheets, if they're interested )
R.D. Olivaw, I wonder who "someone" might be? jj thinks and thinks and thinks....
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Marvin the Martian
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Originally posted by Papa Smurf:
Someone needs to post a city of size >700,000 to push Hawaii into Danger.
To be precise, anything over 701,837 will tip the balance towards Hawaii. I'm rounding the averages to the nearest whole number to get that figure, of course...
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Wet Kipper
Circus Runaway
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697522 is the magical population for 1 more town to make the average exactly between the Louisiana and Hawaii, according to my figures
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Moth
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Ah, well, moths are always being toated in candle flames, yet the species survives!
I can't possibly win the quiz as I'm frantically busy at work - so going out on a mad brinkmanship point will be more fun than any other way! ![[Razz]](tongue.gif)
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Hennah
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quote:
Originally posted by Papa Smurf:
Something around the 425,000 mark would make California start to look average.
Noonoo! Noonoonoonooooooo!!
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sharkshooter
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hmmm...
State capitals over 700,000?
You mean like:
Phoenix (1,410,000) - taken by Jonah the Whale
Columbus, Ohio (714,000) - taken by Nutmeg
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Indianapolis, Indiana (801,000) - which I think is not yet selected.
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Marvin the Martian
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Originally posted by Papa Smurf:
697522 is the magical population for 1 more town to make the average exactly between the Louisiana and Hawaii, according to my figures
How many decimal places are you working to?
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Originally posted by Marvin the Martian:
quote:
Originally posted by Papa Smurf:
697522 is the magical population for 1 more town to make the average exactly between the Louisiana and Hawaii, according to my figures
How many decimal places are you working to?
I've finally found a place where my nerd-dom only makes me fit in more... ![[Smile]](smile.gif)
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Hazey*Jane
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Haven't all the competitors posted already?
I guess this is when I find out whether or not somebody on the ship doesn't like me. ![[Ultra confused]](graemlins/confused2.gif)
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sharkshooter
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Originally posted by Hazey Jane:
Haven't all the competitors posted already?
Beats me. But then, you don't have to be an active competitor to post - and change the average.
It's sort of like being mathematically eliminated from the playoffs (BlueJays in 2006!!) but still trying to beat the Yankees because, well, they are the Yankees.
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Wet Kipper
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Originally posted by Marvin the Martian:
quote:
Originally posted by Papa Smurf:
697522 is the magical population for 1 more town to make the average exactly between the Louisiana and Hawaii, according to my figures
How many decimal places are you working to?
strangely enough, that figure brought the 2 places to an exact number (i.e. no decimal places) away from the average.
But it's at work now ![[brick wall]](graemlins/brick_wall.gif)
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Carex
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quote:
Originally posted by Quizmaster:
Ah! The divine pleasure of the Also-Rans.
The rules are stricter on the contestants than on the Also Rans. If an Also-Ran posts, then that choice is denied to the contestants. If a contestant posts then Also Rans can do what they want, they just lose SMART ALEC points for duplication (Sharkshooter!? ).
We could get a contestant eliminated if all the Also-Rans post. Now that would be worth watching. ![[Yipee]](graemlins/spin.gif)
Now this does present possibilities: if the entries of Also-Rans are included in the calculations then enough of them can move the average to the benefit or detriment of a particular competitor. If not, then those keeping the spreadsheets will have to make sure they only include entries from actual contestants, but the Also-Rans can still choose states to reduce those available to remaining contestants.
Meanwhile, Also-Rans are not restricted from choosing duplicate states (if they aren't worried about losing SMART ALEC points), so several of them could choose the largest or smallest city to change the average even more.
In fact, in this case, if 50 Also-Rans had posted before any contestants, then they could get everyone thrown out... This is beginning to get more interesting!
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Wet Kipper
Circus Runaway
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I've just checked, and when setting this round, all QM said was to pick a state. He didn't say we couldn't pick one that someone else had already chosen.
we could have all chose the same state, which would have resulted in all of us being knocked out.
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Quizmaster
Quick quipper
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So, how have we done?
For the first time since the quiz started everybody has posted. This means that there is a decision to make. Calculators out ..... get those averages working ...... but wait.
The prior rule is that every competitor must choose an answer that is different to all the other existing answers and somebody failed.
I think, although the answers are close together, that R.D.Olivaw used an answer that was taken by Nutmeg, thus eliminating herself from the contest at this point.
Do you all agree?
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Ann
Auntie Doris
Carex
Chorister
Christianjimmy
Custard
Gort
Hazey Jane
Hennah
Jedijudy
Jonah the Whale
Marvin the Martian
Moth
MrSponge2U
Nutmeg
Pants
Papa Smurf
Paul W
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Smudgie
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Quizmaster
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Originally posted by Papa Smurf:
I've just checked, and when setting this round, all QM said was to pick a state. He didn't say we couldn't pick one that someone else had already chosen.
we could have all chose the same state, which would have resulted in all of us being knocked out.
Loss of Smart Points here P.S.
See the OP Rule 3!
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Custard
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Originally posted by Quizmaster:
I think, although the answers are close together, that R.D.Olivaw used an answer that was taken by Nutmeg, thus eliminating herself from the contest at this point.
Do you all agree?
I can't speak for all of us, but that is how it seems from here. It looks as if RDO noticed too, but then failed to come up with another offering.
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Quizmaster
Quick quipper
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ROUND SEVEN : RARE AUSTRALIAN CREATURES
Let's make this round a little bit tougher.
You have to name an Australian Creature (Animal, bird etc. not cricket supporter or VB drinker) that is unique to Australia and that is very rare.
Other contestants may snipe at your selection by proving that the creatures thrive elsewhere on the planet or by finding a reputable website that has a higher estimate than the one you chose.
SO I NEED
1) Name of Creature
2) Estimated Population
3) Website to corroborate your choice
The person to be eliminated will be either the one (or more) who chose a creature(s) that thrive(s) elsewhere or the one who chose the creature with the largest estimated population.
Good luck, and post links to the pictures. I think I may enjoy this round.
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Carex
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Tasmanian Tiger
Zero known remaining. Last one in captivity died in 1936, and it was officially declared extinct in 1986. There have been a few reported possible sightings, but none confirmed.
Does not thrive elsewhere, and I would be happy if someone found a source reporting a higher population!
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Auntie Doris
Screen Goddess
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Here goes...
The Dibbler
Population estimate 300
Looks a bit like a mouse or something. Found in Australia. By 1967, it was thought to be extinct, not having been seen for 83 years, but it was rediscovered in that year by Michael Morcombe. Marvellous!!!!
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It's extremely difficult to find animals native to only Australia, and not Australia AND New Guinea! (And I thought we were going for rare, and not extinct! ![[Eek!]](eek.gif)
Anyway, I choose koala, or Phascolarctos cinereus.
Picture
Website for info.
Population estimated at about 30,000.
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Auntie Doris
Screen Goddess
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Originally posted by Smudgie:
But how can you resist this little fellow? He's just so incredibly wonderful and definitely proof of God's sense of humour.
I think they look like God started making one animal, went and had a cup of tea, came back having forgotten what he was doing, and finished off with a different animal.
They are amazing!!
Auntie Doris x
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Smudgie
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I have just found this lovely website which might help one of two of you find your animal. You musst look at this!
(It's got some more fantastic Platypus pictures too! Still no numbers, though. But how about a story? )
[ 28. September 2005, 22:19: Message edited by: Smudgie ]
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Carex
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Originally posted by Auntie Doris:
By 1967, it was thought to be extinct, not having been seen for 83 years, but it was rediscovered in that year by Michael Morcombe.
So there is still hope for the Tasmanian Tiger, then...
After all, zero population is only an estimate!
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Hazey*Jane
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Aha After much googling, found a population estimate. A couple of years old but this article puts the Woylie (an alternative name) population at 20,000. Which is rather higher than I was hoping. Ah well.
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Auntie Doris
Screen Goddess
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Originally posted by Carex:
quote:
Originally posted by Auntie Doris:
By 1967, it was thought to be extinct, not having been seen for 83 years, but it was rediscovered in that year by Michael Morcombe.
So there is still hope for the Tasmanian Tiger, then...
After all, zero population is only an estimate!
oooo yes... they could be hiding behind a bush or something.
Auntie Doris x
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The Rogue
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I will go for the Tasmanian Devil whose population is 100,000 - 150,000 although a disease that has been spreading in the last few years could have halved the population so I am going for 75,000.
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rugasaw
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I found a good one the Northern Hairy-Nosed Wombat . In 2003 only 113 in the wild. And an interesting website . Apparently picking up Sudgie's librarian tendencies.
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The Eastern Barred Bandicoot is endangered and only lives in SE Australia. There is a Tasmanian version that is genetically distinct but hasn't been given a formal taxonomic designation of subspecies. It belongs to the marsupial family Peramelidae and is relatively short-lived (1-2 years, with few surviving to three years in the wild).
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The first re-introductions of Eastern Barred Bandicoots were into extensive fenced enclosures, resulting in the establishment of two confined or 'semi-wild' populations . One was established in the 400 ha nature reserve within Gellibrand Hill Park, in 1989 as part of the management plan for the species (Brown 1989). The second population was established at Hamilton in a 100 ha enclosure within the Hamilton Community Parklands (HCP) in 1990. This was a community initiative led by the Hamilton Institute of Rural Learning, and the fence was constructed with funds provided by CNR. The Gellibrand population has increased to perhaps 500 or more animals, the largest single group remaining and a crucial one for the survival of the species on mainland Australia. The HCP population increased to about 90 animals during 1993, but monitoring during 1994 indicated a significant decline.
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MrSponge2U
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The Brush-Tailed Rock Wallaby, a small wallaby, adults of which weigh up to 7.5 kg. It is the only rock-wallaby in Victoria.
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Brush-tailed Rock-wallabies were once widespread within the catchment of the Snowy River south to the Murrindal River near Buchan (Wakefield 1954,1961, 1963), at Tintaldra in the upper Murray (Wakefield 1961), and near Omeo and Mt. Tambo (Wakefield 1954). K. Rogers (in Wakefield 1954) reported that 1200 were shot on the Suggan Buggan River in northeastern Victoria during a single winter around 1903. By the late 1950s K. Rogers knew of only 10 populations in East Gippsland (in Wakefield 1961, 1963). After recent surveys, Norris & Belcher (1986) reported that seven of these populations are now extinct, though they did discover one new population. The total population size is now likely to be fewer than 100 animals (P. Kelly, pers. comm.).
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Patdys
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Stromatolites
These little suckers are as old as buggery- living dinosaurs. Dunno how many there are, but extremly rare. And extremly important to life development (or not) depending upon your theological view.
Had to show off these, even though it may get me booted
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Custard
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On the subject of platypuses, did you know that the scientists who received the first (dead) one to be sent back to the British museum thought it was obviously a fake and tried to remove its bill?
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'south-west' Woma Python
It has been proposed that there may be two separate types of Woma - the highly endangered 'south-west' Woma and a less threatened 'desert' Woma. Each has different environmental pressures. Until a scientific confirmation is made of the two populations, all Womas will continue to be classified as endangered.
The Woma is a member of the python family. It is adapted to a terrestrial, nocturnal life style in the desert and semi-arid areas of Australia. Usually seen sliding through spinifex across red sand dunes, the Woma will burrow into the sand to protect itself from predators and extremes of temperature. By using its head as a shovel the Woma can also dig and expand burrows, then trap and crush prey against the burrow wall.
The Woma's diet includes reptiles, small mammals and birds. Many nocturnal pythons use heat sensitive pits in their lower jaw to locate warm-blooded prey. The Woma doesn't have these pits, but it does have a narrow worm-like tail which it uses as a lure to attract prey.
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Custard
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All the ones I knew of being taken, I've had to do a bit of research.
I'm going for the Southern Hairy Nosed Wombat (Lasiorhinus latifrons), as distinct from the Northern version (Lasiorhinus krefftii) which has already been taken.
PDF file here
More information here
No-one knows how many of these there are either, so I'll estimate there are 70,000 because that still leaves me safe.
Oh, and if anyone is feeling brave, QM said "creature". I'd imagine it would be possible to be pedantic and go for things that never were living, but were created. Like Ayer's Rock, or Uhuru, or whatever they call it these days.
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Custard
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The Southern-Hairy Nosed Wombat is, however, listed as being at least vulnerable to extinction and only has a fairly small habitat, hence my comparatively low estimate of numbers.
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Custard
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When I asked Google to find "Lasiorhinus latifrons", it said it could only find about 664 of them. So looks like my 70,000 was a very safe overestimate. ![[Big Grin]](biggrin.gif)
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I shall go for Gilbert's poteroo. Described in this list (scroll down a bit) as Australia's rarest mammal. with only 45 remaining.
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Moth
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Here is a link from the BBC about my little poteroo, with a picture. They say less than 30 surviving! Also, they only live in Aus!
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I am going to name a strange little creature known as the quokka for my rare Australian animal. This small rat like animal was thought to be extinct on the mainland, but colonies are beginning to establish an stabilise in the South West.
They are most frequently found on a small island known as Rottnest Island off the WA coast. The current population is thought to be around 10,000.
One of the reasons that the numbers are declining is a sad reflection on the youth of Australia, who spend wild weekends at places like rottnest when school finishes and play games like 'Quokka Soccer'. I understand that the school kids are no longer welcome on Rottnest and the rangers are doing more to prevent this. ![[Hot and Hormonal]](icon_redface.gif)
Hope that helps.
Quokka Soccer ![[Disappointed]](graemlins/disappointed.gif) .
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Wet Kipper
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I shall go for the Numbat. , which is a vulnerable small marsupial. pouchless marsupial, which is diurnal - that is, active during the day, not just at night.
This site talks about reintroducing some Numbats into the wild. It says quote:
At this rate, Scotia could be supporting a population of 5,000 Numbats within 7 years, or more than half the world's population of this rare and unique marsupial.
therefore the population must be less than 10,000
also known as a banded anteater,t he Numbat is the Faunal emblem (animal) of the State of western Australia
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I sahll go for a rare breed of Ant called Nothomyrmecia. A very rare species of Ant thought to be extinct until a colony was stumbled on in 1931 in southern Australia.
In terms of rarity or projected population numbers I reckon I'm onto a winner because they have only ever been encountered at a few sites (18 sites according to this government report) and the nests are small with less than 100 workers according to this web page so I make it 1800 population tops. ANd if we take biomass into account, my critter is the smallest of them all.
Ladies and Gentlemen, I thank you.
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Marvin the Martian
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The Kangaroo Island Dunnart, or Sminthopsis Aitkeni.
Found only on Kangaroo Island, a small island just off the South Australian coast near Adelaide, their total population is unknown due to their extreme elusiveness.
Since their discovery, precisely 32 have been captured. If you see one, please report it! Nobody knows their true numbers, but it's agreed that they're extremely rare (and listed as endangered).
Also, they're definitely only found in Australia
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Marvin the Martian
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Originally posted by Pure as the Driven Yellow Snow:
Obviously not as rare as I thought
Live ones are - the ones in that link have been dead for aeons.
Of course, since the actual living parts of a stromatolite are cyanobacteria, which are common around the world, your change of creature was probably wise
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