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I don't like to see this thread sink to the bottom.
Has anyone procured a copy of the new Benedictine Daily Prayer?
My copy just arrived! Giving myself a trial period. Going to miss my Galley's Prayer Book Office- Hymnal for the Hours/ Hymns for Prayer and Praise- NRSV Combo but the all-in-one Benedictine Daily Prayer is hard to resist.
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Originally posted by DitzySpike:
Going to miss my Galley's Prayer Book Office- Hymnal for the Hours/ Hymns for Prayer and Praise- NRSV Combo but the all-in-one Benedictine Daily Prayer is hard to resist.
That's a good set of office books you've been using...I'm having the same dilemma with which Office to pray...there's an embarrassment of riches, what with David Goode's Benedictine approach to CW:DP, the new BDP, and the classic Anglican Office, which of course wears well.
I hear, from someone who should know, that Oxford is finally going to...wait for it...reprint the "little brick" size of the 1979 BCP/NRSV combo. I have one and adore its hand size, durability, and soft leather, and will get another one (one for each eye?) when the new ones come out next year.
Now we just need to hound a publisher to reprint Howard Galley's A PRAYER BOOK OFFICE.
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I have been following this discussion with great interest and decided to jump on board the Ship for the first time.
My copy of Benedictine Daily Prayer arrived last week, and it seems wonderful. I have been praying Vespers with family the last few evenings; the intercessions are particularly beautiful and wide-ranging. I have not had an all-in-one prayer book before and will especially like it when traveling!
Having used Church of England prayer books such as Celebrating Common Prayer (1992), I am also keen on acquiring Common Worship: Daily Prayer. For you American daily office enthusiasts, does anyone know of U.S. bookstores that are currently selling it? I found SPCK’s Common Worship/Book of Common Prayer lectionary at Washington National Cathedral, but CW:DP was not available yet. Thanks in advance for any pointers.
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DitzySpike
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Benedictine Daily Prayer is not an easy breviary to use but it is convenient. One needs to be familiar with the Divine Office before using the book.
If a saint's day is designated as a memorial, does one use the festal psalms or the ferial psalms; the sanctoral common or the ordinary office with a commemorative collect? Had that problem yesterday.
BDP feels like CMV's Monastic Diurnal Revised, since both base their psalm schema from the thesaurus. But with MDR, the entire psalter is spread through Mattins in a month. BDP uses a selection from the Psalter in two weeks. MDR's language has a far superior 'classical ethos' compared with BDP but it is heavy and requires an additional lectionary/Bible.
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J S Bach, welcome to Ship of Fools.
Please check out the Commandments and guidelines for the various boards, if not already done so. Here's to a happy voyage!
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Originally posted by DitzySpike:
Benedictine Daily Prayer is not an easy breviary to use but it is convenient. One needs to be familiar with the Divine Office before using the book.
I haven't seen this book, but I can answer your question based on general Benedictine practice (from the Monastic Breviary reforms of 1964). You really should read the rubrics of the version you have, though, to make sure.
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If a saint's day is designated as a memorial, does one use the festal psalms or the ferial psalms; the sanctoral common or the ordinary office with a commemorative collect? Had that problem yesterday.
In general Benedictine practice, the ferial psalms are used on all days, except third class feasts that have proper antiphons, and second and first class feasts. Memorials are just that, a memorial, not a feast, so the psalter would be ferial, and the office would be said as on a ferial day from the temporale without recourse to the sanctorale except for the collect and possibly a responsory.
Your mileage might vary with this new book, though.
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Originally posted by DitzySpike:
Benedictine Daily Prayer is not an easy breviary to use but it is convenient. One needs to be familiar with the Divine Office before using the book.
DitzySpike, .... is it really difficult to work one's way into gradually without much prior knowledge?
The reason I ask is that I'm a real novice at praying the Divine Office, having only managed to average about 3 or 4 Offices a week since I took it up at the beginning of Lent. I've been using CWDP and feel I have the general hang of how it is organised though I'm still fazed by details like the refrains (there seem to be two refrains provided for the Magnificat on a Saints day...feel I am missing something important here). Can't say I like the CWDP version of the Magnificat, either, but overall I feel greatly enriched by the sense of praying with the Church and can't see myself ever giving it up. The earlier posts about the Benedictine Breviary are very interesting and I'm now beginning to think it might be a good next step to get one. Does anyone have any thoughts that would help me decide? How did the old hands at the game get into praying the Office?
By the way, am I right in thinking that the SPCK and Amazon sites are displaying the slip case of the Benedictine book rather than the actual cover? Not too keen on the picture!
Cheers all
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Originally posted by Cyclotherapist:
I've been using CWDP and feel I have the general hang of how it is organised though I'm still fazed by details like the refrains (there seem to be two refrains provided for the Magnificat on a Saints day...feel I am missing something important here).
Having thought about what you might mean here, I assume your talking about a situation where it gives refrains for
Magnificat
Benedictus
Magnificat
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If so, when kept fully, a feast or festival starts at evening prayer the day before, and you would use the first refrain given. Then use the second on the day itself. The first, I think from memory, is labeled with something like 'on the eve, if required' ie if you're keeping evensong the day before as the first evensong of the festival.
Hope this helps
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DitzySpike
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Thanks David! (I like the Sarum devotions you have on your website).
And Cyclo -
No worries. It's just the slip case. Actual cover is brown leather with embossed lettering in gold; plus the cross of St John's Abbey.
If you are comfortable with CWDP, you should ease comfortably into BDP. Takes a while to get used to flipping pages.
It gives provision for the recitation for the sevenfold office of Vigils, Lauds, Terce, Sext, None, Vespers and Compline.
You should adapt the materials to suit your schedule and lifestyle; and don't feel compelled to do all the offices, nor all the psalms. I've combined Vigils and Lauds, and besides that I only read Vespers. Keep in mind that it may be a good thing to balance praying the office with contemplative prayer and doing Lectio Divina.
There are many versions of the Monastic Breviary tradition out there and before getting one you may want to consider if you have already an existing connection with a community, otherwise consider the kind of liturgical language/ style that you respond well to.
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Thanks, Ditzy. I've got a book deadline bearing down on me at the moment, but once that's out of the way I'll be increasing the amount of monastic and Sarum stuff on the site and probably taking the Roman stuff out.
Would someone be so kind as to tell me two things about this BDP:
i) What's the psalter schema like?
ii) Is 'Vigils' a form of Matins? If so, what are the non-scriptural readings for it like? Are there any?
Dave
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Apologies for the lack of clariity in my prevous post. The mystery of the Magificat refrains is solved thanks to Wayward Crucifer. I should have realised that (Eve) referred to the Vigil Office.
Thanks also for your good advice Ditzy Spike, especially about the need for balance in one's prayer life. I think I'm going to keep on with CWDP for a while longer before switching, though I think I'll buy BDP just to have it ready to hand.
Cheers All
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Originally posted by Cyclotherapist:
Apologies for the lack of clariity in my prevous post. The mystery of the Magificat refrains is solved thanks to Wayward Crucifer. I should have realised that (Eve) referred to the Vigil Office.
Don't confuse the 'Vigil Office' with First Evening Prayer (or First Vespers): they're not the same thing.
The rubrics give you the ability to have a First Vespers whenever the Sanctorale or Temporale call for it, and also whenever the Common of the Saints is used if you want. That leaves only ferial days without a First Vespers, and this is a time-tested practice I like very much, and do.
How to deal with occasions when a First Vespers on one day collides with a Second Vespers on the same day, I deal with on www.breviary.info
The Vigil Office (p325ff) is something entirely independent of any of what I've said above.
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Originally posted by David Goode:
Would someone be so kind as to tell me two things about this BDP:
i) What's the psalter schema like?
ii) Is 'Vigils' a form of Matins? If so, what are the non-scriptural readings for it like? Are there any?
Here's an excellent and informative review of Benedictine Daily Prayer:
http://www.kellerbook.com/whatsnew.htm
The psalter schema is a modification of Schema A of the Thesaurus, but Vigils (one nocturn of three psalms and two readings) and Lauds are provided with a two-week cycle; the rest of the hours are quite traditional.
Patristic readings are given at Vigils for Sundays, feasts, and solemnities. Typically on those days the patristic reading is first, followed by the Gospel of the day. On ferias, there are two Biblical readings (OT and NT). Short readings (on a four-week cycle at Lauds and Vespers) at the other hours.
This is as well done a one-book monastic office as I've ever seen. And one doesn't get the sense that it's heavily truncated. If these offices were sung in community, they'd be just as long as those in many Benedictine communities.
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Thank you Dave I think I'm starting to get my head round it. I'm now going to go home and read the material on your website properly(!)
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It does bother me that the new Benedictine Daily Prayer leaves out a lot of psalms. It's important to me to pray an Office that gets around to all 150 of them eventually: by David Goode's schema, which does them in two weeks; the traditional BCP one, in a month; or our USA BCP lectionary one, in seven weeks if you don't leave anything out and if you do the bracketed psalms.
I've never liked those office books in which the editor says certain psalms are "not suitable for worship." Sez YOU!
I'm back to the BCP lectionary office for a while.
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Sentiments exactly. But the litanies in the Benedictine book is really superb. The depth of the spirituality starts off the day very well. For a discipline or an association with an order! Vows of obedience is a good thing.
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Originally posted by DitzySpike:
Sentiments exactly. But the litanies in the Benedictine book is really superb. The depth of the spirituality starts off the day very well. For a discipline or an association with an order! Vows of obedience is a good thing.
Yes. I'm a Benedictine oblate; I haven't taken vows, but I do have a commitment to pray the Office daily. I'm often torn between our quite substantial BCP office and one that's more like monks use, such as the BDP we've been discussing. It is well to choose one form and stick with it; part of the discipline is to stick with the form one has committed to, even when it seems dull or when other forms seem like greener pastures. That happens to me almost daily. I should be a Carthusian and pray two offices daily...they pray a monastic one plus the Little Office of the BVM.
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Originally posted by Scott Knitter:
Here's an excellent and informative review of Benedictine Daily Prayer: http://www.kellerbook.com/whatsnew.htm
Scrolling down a bit on that link, there's a very enthusiastic review of The Book of Divine Worship. Has anybody used that? How about Lauds and Vespers from the same site? Any thoughts? (It took me several Google minutes to find the publisher, BDW does not appear on Amazon at all, LV is not in stock...)
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Originally posted by IngoB:
Scrolling down a bit on that link, there's a very enthusiastic review of The Book of Divine Worship. Has anybody used that? How about Lauds and Vespers from the same site? Any thoughts? (It took me several Google minutes to find the publisher, BDW does not appear on Amazon at all, LV is not in stock...)
The Book of Divine Worship is huge...very heavy and thick. Good thing I like books like that. Anyway, it's a remarkable book in that it has RC imprimatur for what is essentially the USA 1979 Book of Common Prayer (emended slightly) plus the 1928 BCP psalter (that's right, two complete psalters). It's for use in Anglican Use RC parishes. I'll keep using our BCP, but the BDW would be very handy if I insisted on the older psalter. The BDW is amazingly short on explanations...precious little front matter. Just the texts and rubrics, please. I bought mine from here: http://www.atonementonline.com/GiftNook/GiftNook.php
I love the DVD of solemn Mass as well. Now I'm off to investigate Lauds and Vespers as you mentioned.
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now is it a most appropriate time to ask which types of liturgical dress coordinate best with which prayer books?
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Originally posted by DitzySpike:
now is it a most appropriate time to ask which types of liturgical dress coordinate best with which prayer books?
We have a tradition observed by most of our male servers that we always wear a tie of the correct liturgical colour of the day when on duty; the female servers wear 'something' (not always visible!) of the correct colour.
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Originally posted by DitzySpike:
now is it a most appropriate time to ask which types of liturgical dress coordinate best with which prayer books?
That could cheerfully run several pages on its own!
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Just thought I’d report favourably on David’s fortnightly division of the Psalter: I’ve been using it for over a month now and am quite impressed.
I have tinkered with it in a few respects – I’ve moved Deus Misereatur from the Invitary of Lauds to the start of Evensong/Vespers, and substituted it with Coeli Innerant (Psalm 19); I also put the portion of Psalm 119 into Vespers, as there’s seldom the time to pray a midday Office. I take Psalm 45 as the Invitary of Mattins on Saturdays and other days of Our Lady. On Feasts, I insert 24 in places of 51 at Lauds, and sometimes add 23 to Vespers, just because I like it.
Other than this I use it as presented, and am very happy! I’ve not used Nocturnes before, and like the idea. It seems a good start to the day.
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Just thought I'd report favourably on David's fortnightly division of the Psalter: I've been using it for over a month now and am quite impressed.
Thanks, DJ. Your modifications are interesting: I often miss MP from working too much, and I might try your trick of moving Ps 119 to compensate.
I'm glad you like Matins. It's an important part of my spiritual life and its ommission from CWDP is my only real complaint about an otherwise superb daily office[1].
Dave
[1] Apart from the psalter, obviously. But that's a failing of the lectionary, not of CWDP itself.
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Originally posted by DitzySpike:
now is it a most appropriate time to ask which types of liturgical dress coordinate best with which prayer books?
That could cheerfully run several pages on its own!
Charlotte
Happy to oblige!
BCP is easy enough - surplice, tippet, hood. Anything monastic requires a scapular. Little Offices of BVM just scream cotta and lace.
For some reason, Oremus suggests cardigan, socks and sandals, though I'm not sure why...
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I found today's Celebrating Common Prayer pocket version's evening office very moving and appropriate after Today's Events.
Further details on my blog. When it comes to the psalm, no doubt someone will be able to tell me I got the week wrong (are we in week 7? I can never keep track) - what the hey, poetically I got it right, albeit inadvertently. ![[Biased]](wink.gif)
Did any other CCP users find any of this helpful too if they were using the evening office tonight?
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I found today's Celebrating Common Prayer pocket version's evening office very moving and appropriate after Today's Events.
Brilliantly serendipitous John H. Often I do use CCP on the train home, but today I was moved to stay in church and light a couple of candles, then said the CW version of EP. It wasn't as obviously relevant but still connected.
(Tangent but emotionally relevant: despite being 200 miles from London I couldn't help but shudder as I waited for my train on a Merseyrail underground platform. How long will it take those who witnessed or heard the attacks to feel at ease travelling?)
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I'm going through a very dry spell praying a daily office at the moment. I fully intend to persevere with it as I know that this is just one of those things that happens with almost any form of worship or discipline.
But I'd be interested to know how other people cope with dry times. Is there anything you do that helps to shorten them? Or a way of thinking about this that helps you to keep going on.
Any perspectives or experiences?
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Originally posted by John H:
I found today's Celebrating Common Prayer pocket version's evening office very moving and appropriate after Today's Events.
Further details on my blog. When it comes to the psalm, no doubt someone will be able to tell me I got the week wrong (are we in week 7? I can never keep track) - what the hey, poetically I got it right, albeit inadvertently.
Did any other CCP users find any of this helpful too if they were using the evening office tonight?
Err... you may working ahead of yourself. I make this week, Week 7.
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Originally posted by Second Mouse:
But I'd be interested to know how other people cope with dry times. Is there anything you do that helps to shorten them? Or a way of thinking about this that helps you to keep going on.
Any perspectives or experiences?
There are a few things that I do -
1) end the office by going straight to the final collect and trust the universal church to finish up the work for me
2) stop the office and go into contemplative prayer
3) stop the office, take a quick glance through the rest of the prayer, focus on a small portion and do a lectio divina
4) add a tactile element to prayer. Sometimes I hold a rosary or a crucifix on one hand and as I pray the text, I apply pressure to the touch, or relax the hold accordingly.
Perhaps you can experiment with other ways of praying the text. Here's one possible model -
1) Say the invitatory and then sing the office hymn
2) Read one psalm and choose one way of praying it, such as
a) using the ignatian method of visualizing the imagery
b) do a lectio on a verse
c) try to emphathize with the Psalmist by drawing from your own experience and then use that empathy to pray for the world with the same shared human condition
3) Read the 'chapter' and then go into silent prayer.
4) Read out loud the collect, paying close attention to the sound of the words.
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Err... you may working ahead of yourself. I make this week, Week 7.
According to the table on p.12 of the book I'm using (CCP 2002 pocket edition), this is week 1 (Pentecost 8). I think CCP still follows the "Sundays after Pentecost" numbering, so last week was week 7.
And to think people say that CCP can be confusing to use! ![[Ultra confused]](graemlins/confused2.gif)
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Please can some kind soul
let me know how easy the reprint of the Benedictine Monastic Diurnal is to use ?
Does it have any readings at all ?
I am currently using a 1961 edition of Prime and Hours pub by Mowbray, which I find extremely easy to use :-)
I did look at Benedictine Daily Worship last week, but I must confess that I really do prefer traditional Thee/Thou language for the Offices.
I`m just an old fogey at the age of 41......
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Please can some kind soul let me know how easy the reprint of the Benedictine Monastic Diurnal is to use? Does it have any readings at all?
The Diurnal includes the traditional short "chapters," typically just one or two verses, after the psalms in each office. The longer readings would have been done at Matins, which isn't in the Diurnal.
The recently reprinted Diurnal is slightly easier to navigate than the older ones you might find on eBay, as the reprinted one uses a newer version of the church calendar, streamlining the ranks of feasts somewhat.
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Thank you Scott.
How did you guess that I do indeed check EBay regularly looking for liturgical books ? LOL
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OK, guys, a small issue with the office book I've been on for almost two months now (Christian Prayer, the 1 volume US Roman Liturgy of the Hours). In general, very pleased with it, but it keeps translating the word from the psalms that I'd previously heard translated as "burnt offerings" as "holocausts".
I don't know if there's a pond difference here, but I can't read the word "holocaust" without thinking of the WWII slaughter, so I mentally replace it with "burnt offerings" whenever it comes up.
The question is: is this something I should try to wean myself off? I don't like fiddling with texts, especially Biblical ones, to make them more comfortable, but this seems reasonably innoxious to me. Any thoughts?
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That's the Jerusalem Bible, IIRC.
I think it's the text used in most RC Missals here too. Not a pond difference.
I know what you mean and I dislike it as well. I much prefer the NRSV, which the Canadian RC conference tried to have authorised a couple of years back, without much success - inclusive language and all.
Try the RSV. That's usually my second choice, although if you want one single book for the Office, that arrnagement would probably be a little cumbersome.
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Originally posted by DitzySpike:
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Originally posted by Second Mouse:
But I'd be interested to know how other people cope with dry times. Is there anything you do that helps to shorten them? Or a way of thinking about this that helps you to keep going on.
Any perspectives or experiences?
There are a few things that I do -
1) end the office by going straight to the final collect and trust the universal church to finish up the work for me
2) stop the office and go into contemplative prayer
3) stop the office, take a quick glance through the rest of the prayer, focus on a small portion and do a lectio divina
4) add a tactile element to prayer. Sometimes I hold a rosary or a crucifix on one hand and as I pray the text, I apply pressure to the touch, or relax the hold accordingly.
Perhaps you can experiment with other ways of praying the text. Here's one possible model -
1) Say the invitatory and then sing the office hymn
2) Read one psalm and choose one way of praying it, such as
a) using the ignatian method of visualizing the imagery
b) do a lectio on a verse
c) try to emphathize with the Psalmist by drawing from your own experience and then use that empathy to pray for the world with the same shared human condition
3) Read the 'chapter' and then go into silent prayer.
4) Read out loud the collect, paying close attention to the sound of the words.
Wow! What a useful list of suggestions - many thanks.
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4) add a tactile element to prayer. Sometimes I hold a rosary or a crucifix on one hand and as I pray the text, I apply pressure to the touch, or relax the hold accordingly.
I like this suggestion a lot. This is a use I've found for the Anglican Rosary someone gave me. It's lovely, and I've experimented with praying the Anglican Rosary as it was meant to be prayed, but I still prefer the traditional Dominican Rosary (the one that now has 20 mysteries). Putting the Anglican Rosary beads over my folded hands while praying (is it Buddhists who pray with beads on this way?) helps me focus.
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I think I've found a schedule of psalms that may well work for me with my new Office Book.
I got it from St Dunstan's Plansong Psalter and copied the details onto a Publisher document, which I have laminated and have in my Office binder. I thought I'd share it, so here it is.
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I think I've found a schedule of psalms that may well work for me with my new Office Book. I got it from St Dunstan's Plansong Psalter and copied the details onto a Publisher document, which I have laminated and have in my Office binder. I thought I'd share it, so here it is.
Thank you! Most useful. And, bless your heart, it's all in Roman numerals! I needed the practice. What's your new office book?
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Thank you! Most useful.
You're very welcome. (I spent long enough fighting with Publisher to put the borders where I wanted them that, in the end, it seemed like something of a wasted effort of only I got to use the result) ![[Big Grin]](biggrin.gif)
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And, bless your heart, it's all in Roman numerals! I needed the practice.
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That's the format that it's in in the Psalter, you see, and as I've printed it on A5, it was the only way I could make it fit, while being large enough to be able to distinguish psalm numbers from verse numbers. I can post an A4 version with "Arabic" numerals, if it makes life easier for folk. I'm happy to do it. Do let me know.
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What's your new office book?
Well it hasn't actually been published as a book yet, but it's available in looseleaf form for now, which should be on its way to me over the next week or so. It's called The Saint Colman Prayer Book, and is the Western Rite Orthodox Office book, based on the Sarum hours and, I believe, some other sources (possibly Benedictine?).
I have purchased an imitation leather A5 zip-up ring binder to house them, but as the binder has all manner of pockets and things, I have space for things like this psalm-table laminate, and prayer lists and things, which I wouldn't with a book. I got the A5 size of those plastic wallets for ring binders as well, so I don't have to punch holes in the leaves when they arrive. I don't think I'll make the switch when the book does actually come out, to be honest, as this arrangement seems infintely better.
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Err... you may working ahead of yourself. I make this week, Week 7.
According to the table on p.12 of the book I'm using (CCP 2002 pocket edition), this is week 1 (Pentecost 8). I think CCP still follows the "Sundays after Pentecost" numbering, so last week was week 7.
And to think people say that CCP can be confusing to use!
Ah ![[Confused]](confused.gif) That might just explain why I had to make a jump of several weeks at the end of Ordinary Time last time round. The things you learn onboard - I don't know...
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Err... you may working ahead of yourself. I make this week, Week 7.
According to the table on p.12 of the book I'm using (CCP 2002 pocket edition), this is week 1 (Pentecost 8). I think CCP still follows the "Sundays after Pentecost" numbering, so last week was week 7.
I'm looking at page 12 of the 2002 edition of CCP and it says "Seventh Suday after Trinity - Use week 7".
Last Sunday was the seventh Sunday after Trinity so surely this is week 7.
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Well it hasn't actually been published as a book yet, but it's available in looseleaf form for now, which should be on its way to me over the next week or so. It's called The Saint Colman Prayer Book, and is the Western Rite Orthodox Office book, based on the Sarum hours and, I believe, some other sources (possibly Benedictine?).
Is this generally available, or are you special?
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Originally posted by Back-to-Front:
Well it hasn't actually been published as a book yet, but it's available in looseleaf form for now, which should be on its way to me over the next week or so. It's called The Saint Colman Prayer Book, and is the Western Rite Orthodox Office book, based on the Sarum hours and, I believe, some other sources (possibly Benedictine?).
Is this generally available, or are you special?
I'll mail you.
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"Benedictine Daily Prayer -- A Short Breviary" arrived from Amazon today.
I was surprised to find that its publisher is not more than a two hours' drive away from me.
As with any office book it will take some time to get acquainted. To all appearances, though, a wonderful book.
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Is this generally available, or are you special?
I'll mail you.
Me too!
I want to know all the details...
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I'll mail you.
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A little update "to whom it may concern" on the Latin-English Lauds and Vespers. I emailed this to Rev. Peter M. J. Stravinskas:
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Dear Father, are the other Lauds and Vesper volumes coming any time soon? Will there be a compact one volume edition for the whole year?
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Yes, we are working on the one-volume work right now. Stay tuned.
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