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Imaginary Friend
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England just have to be more hard-nosed about Tests in this country and prepare the pitches to suit our skills and preferences; after all, every other country does!
That's true, but it would also be nice if we could show a bit more flexibility in how we play, and adapt to different conditions a bit better. Otherwise, we'll never win away from home.
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England just have to be more hard-nosed about Tests in this country and prepare the pitches to suit our skills and preferences; after all, every other country does!
That's true, but it would also be nice if we could show a bit more flexibility in how we play, and adapt to different conditions a bit better. Otherwise, we'll never win away from home.
It's true that England don't adapt well, but we bend over backwards to make things as easy as possible for visiting teams by preparing pitches so bland that their own batsmen's limitations aren't shown up. If we make our pitches suit us, we shouldn't lose many series then, provided we do adapt and select with care, we can get a few wins overseas that, overall, improves our position and rating.
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What do we reckon is going to happen at the Oval over the next few days?
I pass the ground on my commute and if I catch the traffic right, I can watch the match for a few minutes from the top deck of the bus on the way home. It was pretty overcast, so I'd be expecting a swinging air to the place.
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It appears that, for the first time this summer, a Proper Test Match™ has broken out. I have to confess, I didn't see that one coming!
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There seemed to be an attempt at the same sort of thing in Colombo at the moment - India made 393 all out but then Sri Lanka lost an early wicket. Hopefully things will pick up later.
It is Kumar Sangakarra last Test so I hope it's a good one - I also hope India win, of course.
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Agreed - while Trent Bridge was something else I like my drama to finish well after tea on the fifth day, so I get as much cricket as possible!
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It's good to get a proper Test Match and I'm strangely glad the Australians have had a good day. A contest is better to win than a walkover.
Annoyingly, though, in the hope that the game might go to 5 days I booked Monday off in the hope that I might get a ticket on the gate, as I had done for the New Zealand Test at Lord's earlier this summer. But I've got to be housebound, waiting for the gas man cometh.
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My dad was born Sarf of the River, poor thing, and I often asked him why the final Test was always at a Minor Counties ground - he rose to it year after year!
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I've not seen Mitchell Johnson being bowled by Moeen Ali but it could be that the ball is gripping already! That means Australia could have had the best of the batting conditions, England erred in not selecting Rashid, and Nathan Lyon could have a field day in England's second innings.
As others have said, proper Test cricket: balanced sides, remember you have five days to play, one poor shot and you'll be sat in the dressing room for a day or two.
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So, Sioni, what do you reckon the lottery numbers will be?
Somehow I don't think England will make this 4-1. Will be 4-1, quite possibly, but not win 4-1.
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So, Sioni, what do you reckon the lottery numbers will be?
Any of these numbers from our opening partnerships (half way down the page).
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Somehow I don't think England will make this 4-1. Will be 4-1, quite possibly, but not win 4-1.
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We'll be lucky to make this match last into day 4, session 1.
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I honest to fucking Ganesha do not know what is happening here. If anyone can explain the fact that our lads were all out for 60 in the last test, and now have not only piled up 481 runs, but also have England at 107/8, please do so. I've lost faith in reality.
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If you weren't so far away we'd meet up in a pub and thrash it out. It's been the most bizarre series of reversals imaginable. We don't know what the flip has gone one either.
As an Englishman I'm delighted with the result of the series, but as a sportsman who wanted five five dayers I'm utterly bemused.
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England's problem yesterday was "poor shot selection" according to G Boycott, but I've heard that expression from him so often that it applies to any error made by any batsmen, especially attacking shots that go to hand. Didn't he say the same after Australia were out for 60 (and England for 103)?
At least Moeen and Wood made 57 for the ninth wicket. After what had gone before that was good but they make as good a ninth wicket pair as you will find.
England are following on. Let's see if Lyth can redeem himself.
eta: Australia have only three slips and one gully. With a lead of 300 and an innings in hand?
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I honest to fucking Ganesha do not know what is happening here. If anyone can explain the fact that our lads were all out for 60 in the last test, and now have not only piled up 481 runs, but also have England at 107/8, please do so. I've lost faith in reality.
Pressure's gone?
I sometimes play my best sport when there's no pressure.
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will the weather somehow conjure a draw for England?
Meanwhile Sri Lanka are hoping they can play all day tomorrow with just eight wickets left and 341 runs required - and the weather could interfere here, too.
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Oh well, all over but The Ashes back where they belong!
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And as the Ashes slid to a somewhat ignominious end, another of the Invincibles died.
RIP Arthur Morris
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And as the Ashes slid to a somewhat ignominious end, another of the Invincibles died.
RIP Arthur Morris
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That leaves just one of the side, Neil Harvey.
To give an idea of how "Invincible" that side was, they played 31 matches of which nine were drawn and the others won; fifteen by an innings, two by ten wickets and another by 409 runs. They won the Tests 4-0 with one draw.
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Frank Tyson has died. What with Morris, Close and Tyson going in such close company, it'll be busy at the pearly bar.
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anyone following today's events? As an England and Moseley rugby fan let's just say a test against Pakistan is welcome distraction (for now)...
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...Until their spinners start bowling, at least. ![[Biased]](wink.gif)
I watched a grand total of 1 ball. That ball happened to be a jaffa from Jimmy, which slightly left the batsman and went past very very close to the edge. The fielders went up, thinking they'd heard a noise which the commentators said was clear. Ump gives not out. Skipper reviews. TV umpire has to adjudicate without the help of snicko or hot spot!! For some unfathomable reason, they don't have them in Abu Dhabi. It took him about five minutes of going back-and-forward, frame-by-frame, until he could convince himself that there was no daylight between bat and ball as it went past the edge and so the on-field decision should be reversed.
It was one of the most bizarre things I've ever seen in sport: Officials asked to use technology to make a decision, without the technology! Play was held up for ages, the batsman was clearly frustrated, and (IMNVHO) the on-field decision should never have been reversed because after seeing the same evidence as the TV umpire, I thought it was clear as mud!!
I thought reviews were there to make sure the howlers were corrected. This wasn't that.
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For Abu Dhabi four down on day 1 is good. Seven down, as it should have been, would have put England in the driving seat.
It does mean that England have the necessary. The quicks have been cheap as chips and it's too early for a part-timer and a debutant to achieve much.
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For Abu Dhabi four down on day 1 is good. Seven down, as it should have been, would have put England in the driving seat.
It does mean that England have the necessary. The quicks have been cheap as chips and it's too early for a part-timer and a debutant to achieve much.
I'm with Sir Geoffrey on the part-timer (and not just as a Worcestershire partisan) - it oughtn't to make sense, there's nothing obviously threatening, and he's not a Test class spinner - but he has this infuriating-for-the-pundits habit of taking test wickets...
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It looks as though a couple did eventually stick in Bell's mitts. Pity the two batsmen made 247 between them, mind.
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On the BBC website someone observed that Shoaib had not played Test cricket for five year and he now looked like he was going to bat for five more. Eventually he was dismissed "Tired out".
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And now Cook has replied with his own double hundred. Difficult to see this as being anything other than a draw now, barring the usual miracles (=England cock up badly).
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This is looking like it could have been a Timeles test. Just gone tea on Day 4 and England are five down in their first innnings having just overtaken Pakistan's first innings. IIRC, most tests in England are over by teatime on day four, unless the weather intervenes.
nb Cook has hit a FOUR, his first for 36 overs!
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Meanwhile in Galle it looks as if West Indies will lose by an innings plus against Sri Lanka - 8 wickets down in their second innings and still 49 runs to get! But Jermaine Blackwood is being very obstinate.
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In the end an innings and 6 runs.
Is the Eng - Pak match being played on a billiard table? They might as well be playing on the old ground in Antigua!
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I'm pretty sure a billiard table would have a bit more bounce than this pitch.
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I've certainly played pool on tables with more variable bounce, but England have taken five Pakistan wickets including a couple for Rashid. It won't make for a result but they will be the better going into the remaining tests with a strong performance behind them.
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England have, amazingly got a chance, but they probably have 45 minutes to make 99. Pakistan OTOH will bowl as few deliveries as possible! It could be tricky for the umpires.
I doubt England will do it unless there are a couple of very big overs, say twenty plus.
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I think a draw is probably a fair result but we need more competitive pitches!
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I think a draw is probably a fair result but we need more competitive pitches!
We need to hang on to chances too!
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Proper Test cricket in Sharjah. 90 overs, 218 runs, four wickets. If England can plod on into the afternoon tomorrow they should have a useful lead, even though Ben Stokes looks out of the match.
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I think the aim should be for a lead of about 150, rely on Anderson & Broad to get the first 4 wickets and then Rashid will come into his own, have them out for 200 and then even on a deteriorating wicket that will turn and bounce, we should be able to get 50 runs to win.
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Ah well. Nobody really expected that England could win in the Emirates, did they? I'm just glad we were vaguely competitive for some of the time.
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Meanwhile at the Gabba (Brisbane) Australia in their second innings are already leading NZ by 400+ near the end of day 3, with no wickets lost. This match could become some small revenge for the Rugby World Cup (where NZ beat Australia in the final).
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...and after a dismal performance in the short format toy cricket India thrash the South Africans in the first Test at Mohali.
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...and after a dismal performance in the short format toy cricket India thrash the South Africans in the first Test at Mohali.
Opinions about the pitch seemed to be divided until Sunil Gavaskar reported on its dryness and cracked appearance. Amazingly the match lasted almost three full days and of the 40 batsmen dismissed 25 were out in single figures.
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The second Test between Australia and New Zealand appears to be no less painful than the first. They are 416-2 at the close, with David Warner just failing to score 250 on the first day! If he takes some care Lara's record is in sight by about teatime tomorrow.
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The second pyjama game in the Emirates is looking tasty - Pakistan chasing 284 are 29-3.
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104/6 in 32, Pakistan need exactly ten an over. I wouldn't call it impossible but they don't have Shahid Afridi any more.
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A good stand in the middle order should have made a game of it, but it didn't happen. Ah well, England aren't complaining!
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Warner finally out for 253 Day 2 Aus v NZ test match.
Good on him but rather yawnworthy watching such one sided cricket. Hopefully things will get more interesting now.
Smith looking (rightly) a bit more measured and conservative this morning. Been a bit gung ho.
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Looking at the scorecard, it almost looks like limp subsidence after Warner and Kawaja went!
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Gobsmackingly, despite Mitchell Starc in particular, the Kiwis are within forty runs of a lead with four wickets in hand!
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The WACA ground has long been renowned as a fast bowlers paradise, with teams rarely making much more than 300 in an innings and matches often all over in 3 days.
But this time, we have had both sides scoring over 500 in their first innings, with one batter on each side making a double century (Warner for Aus and Taylor for NZ) and no fewer than four others making a century (not least Kane Williamson of New Zealand who has so far this series looked all class without a discernible weakness).
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