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orfeo
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Weird. And weirdly unsatisfying. Yet another example, I think, of a story that raced past the development section because of a need to fit things into 45 minutes.
Also, The Doctor is officially Worst Babysitter Ever.
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This is Sylvester's Mc Coy's Doctor homage. The chess was *so*. Mc Coy. I don't think they're revisiting the Doctors in order.
This was the seventh episode and McCoy was the seventh Doctor. Expect a McGann reference next week.
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Originally posted by ACK:
It seemed more McGann - Big Finish stuff, especially 'Caerdroia' - where the Doctor is split into the 3 aspects of his personality.
As we went into the cold open, I thought didn't Marc Platt do this in Big Finish? (Episode entitled The Silver Turk, with McGann and Mary Shelley.)
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Hedgehog
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It occurred to me this morning that there was a HUGE 6th Doctor reference at the end when the Emperor proposes to Clara--during the 6th's tenure, Peri was repeatedly being the object of many a matrimonial quest by darn near every life form in the universe.
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I was wondering if the emphasis on Clara as 'an impossible girl' was a reference to John Smith's Journal of Impossible Things, which included a picture of the sixth doctor - but as it had a picture of all the doctors to that point it seems like a bit of a dead end. Unless it was a way of referencing all the previous doctors in one 'impossible' person (perhaps Clara is the Doctor, all of them).
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Jay-Emm
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Originally posted by Hedgehog:
It occurred to me this morning that there was a HUGE 6th Doctor reference at the end when the Emperor proposes to Clara--during the 6th's tenure, Peri was repeatedly being the object of many a matrimonial quest by darn near every life form in the universe.
And the issue of past Dr's has now explicitly came up just before the finale. Together with a flash through.
In many ways a standard Dr Who thing (Matt Smiths first episode, Brain of Morbius, one of the regenerations among others)
But at the same time mildly consistent with it's a plot theme (in some way) rather than a pure easter egg or coincidence. We'll find out I guess.
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I think I was the first person to raise the possibility of Clara being River (at least on these boards - I got the idea from a friend). However, another friend has raised a big objection - we've seen her parents, and so has the Doctor. Can that be resolved?
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Robin
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If Artie's on the school chess time, how come he lost to a fool's mate? If he's not on the school chess team, how come Angie let his claim pass unchallenged? (it's hard to believe that she wouldn't know).
It was a small but irritating flaw that bothered me for the whole episode. I was expecting an explanation at some point, but it never came.
Or am I missing something?
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Originally posted by Robin:
If Artie's on the school chess time, how come he lost to a fool's mate? If he's not on the school chess team, how come Angie let his claim pass unchallenged? (it's hard to believe that she wouldn't know).
It was a small but irritating flaw that bothered me for the whole episode. I was expecting an explanation at some point, but it never came.
Or am I missing something?
Robin
You are right, I think. If he was even moderately good, he would not have lost that quickly, whatever. He would have lost eventually, I expect, but not for a bit longer.
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Dafyd
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Originally posted by Robert Armin:
I think I was the first person to raise the possibility of Clara being River (at least on these boards - I got the idea from a friend). However, another friend has raised a big objection - we've seen her parents, and so has the Doctor. Can that be resolved?
I don't believe she's River. Or the Rani.
But the fact that we've seen her parents wouldn't be any more of a problem than it is for her being dalek Oswin/ Victorian Oswald. (And possibly the child in the park, who is called Clara Oswin even though companion Clara isn't.)
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Jay-Emm
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Ditto, granted he was in space which would fluster you.
But you'd know what your first moves were.
If he'd lost twice then possibly I could see him "trying something different". Or for some other reason trying to be clever and failing.
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I don't believe she's River.
But if Clara is some sort of mind escape from the library which may be why the latest trailer has River in it.
I was then thinking that maybe she is some sort of lure for the doctor like the lady who got him to the Dalek Parliament to explain the multiple Claras, but wouldn't the Tardis or the Doctor have detected that?.
An other idea is that the 'Run' phrase is significant and suggests a Donna relationship?.
Now I'll be spinning round until the next episode.
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Originally posted by orfeo:
This whole thing about the Tardis not liking Clara... I had this sudden mental image of what's going to happen when River Song meets Clara. The Doctor will go to introduce Clara and before he can finish, River will snap "WE'VE MET!" and glare at Clara in that special way Alex Kingston can manage.
But River knows about timelines directions and would mention 'Spoilers' surely?. But it would be interesting if she does as you say.
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Originally posted by Robin:
If Artie's on the school chess time, how come he lost to a fool's mate? If he's not on the school chess team, how come Angie let his claim pass unchallenged? (it's hard to believe that she wouldn't know).
It was a small but irritating flaw that bothered me for the whole episode. I was expecting an explanation at some point, but it never came.
Or am I missing something?
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I was on the school chess team back in the day. If you'd ever played me, you'd be shocked by that fact. Plus, the fool's mate isn't that widely known, except as a curiosity—the chances of anyone ever actually playing it are pretty slim. The scholar's mate, of course, is well-known, and is the mainstay of every school chess club opening ever.
As for the #6 reference, I'm guessing the tombs of the sleeping Cybermen under the surface. What? You mean that one works just as well for #2 as it does for Attack of the Cybermen? You're seriously implying that the only reason I think this is because I watched Attack yesterday as homework, and, as such, would make a connection between a momentary shot of Cyberman condos and the tombs of Telos? Oh, and that whole "destroyed planet" motif common to both? Yeah, it's a stretch. Face it, this episode was more Gaiman than Who. Which may not be a bad thing—I like Gaiman, except for Anansi Boys, and Who is at its best when someone with a touch for the surreal and the creepy is in control of the script—but it's definitely not a fanboi making references to past Doctors in the script.
Now, if Clara had faked the worst American accent ever for a moment in a voice that could cut glass, that would have been a reference. If everyone had died, ditto. I suppose that the Doctor being really unstable and moody could have been a reference, but possession by the Cybermen isn't the same as just being, well, #6. If anything, it was reminiscent of "Kinda," but that's entirely the wrong Doctor...
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I finally watched Nightmare in Silver.
Gaiman added a lot of flavor. The Doctor was ok.
Angela was so annoying. Don't wander, oh I'm so bored I'll wander. I hope he has the sense not to take her on anymore boring adventures.
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Well, Nightmare was okay I suppose. Actually, it was pretty good, with some very good moments, but somehow I expected mind-blowing excellence from Gaiman.
I liked the Cyber redesign - sleeker and less clunky than the previous "upgrade". I thought Warwick Davis was brilliant. I loved the concept of the Cyberplanner, but I didn't think Matt Smith was on good enough form to pull it off. I'm sure he could have, but he just didn't seem to be hitting quite the right notes, or maybe the directing was a bit off, or maybe the editing.
I didn't think the kids were quite sympathetic enough for them to work as "general people in peril", but on the other hand Clara was, as ever, fantastic.
I think that, once again, what made this story not quite work for me was the pacing and the script editing. Bits that could have been played longer weren't, and there was a useless minute or so at the end where nobody did very much except say goodbye (sharp contrast with Hide!). This is one area, I think, where Moffat compares unfavourably to RTD - with Davies, the pace and story were always spot-on. He knew precisely what to sketch, what to paint in more detail. I'm not sure Moffat does, quite.
I'm increasingly thinking that the past Doctor references theory is a red herring. There are references, yes, but I don't think they're as systematic as people are supposing.
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Penny S
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I thought Artie said he was in the school chess club, not team. In which case, he might not have been in it for long, and not yet met the club show-off who would have used that mate to put him in his place in the pecking order.
I suspect that bit was there to make the children who played chess and were watching feel good about themselves, because they would not have fallen for it.
I used to be able to defeat a Tandy chess player on level 1 with a variant of scholar's mate.
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Robin
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Originally posted by Penny S:
I thought Artie said he was in the school chess club, not team. In which case, he might not have been in it for long, and not yet met the club show-off who would have used that mate to put him in his place in the pecking order.
I suspect that bit was there to make the children who played chess and were watching feel good about themselves, because they would not have fallen for it.
Whoops - you're quite right (I've just reviewed the relevant scene). And your explanation makes sense; it turns out there was no need to look for anything more complex.
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Best episode of the season so far IMO: great acting by Smith and Davies, Cybermen becoming 'Borg-ified'; only complaint is that I kept hearing 'Cyberia' as 'Siberia'... ![[Hot and Hormonal]](icon_redface.gif)
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I thought it was okay. Matt Smith made it work, Clara was more of a real person than she has been since she was someone else (if you see what I mean), there were some interesting ideas, and the cybermen were used fairly sensibly. Yes, the strange little guy turning out to be the missing emperor is a touch hackneyed, but the twist can't always be brilliantly shocking to old gits like us on a long-running family show.
The chess bit was obviously designed to show that there was some sort of intelligence behind The Not-Turk, which couldn't have been done any faster on film and could easily be explained away (if you were so inclined) as the quickest way of finding out whether it was actually playing chess, i.e. using some form of intelligence, or just moving pieces. I suppose it depends whether your aim is winning the game or prompt scientific investigation followed (if necessary) by winning the next game.
My irritation was with the resolution. I know it was sort of foreshadowed by the discussion way back about all the death, but it didn't really work for me. He's quite happy to stay anonymous and let everyone die until some kid recognises him, at which point he suddenly beams everyone up and blows up the planet. If he'd gone through any sort of soul-searching, that would be one thing, but it was more like "Yes, I'm the emperor, congratulations, your reward for working it out is that you all survive, apart from the people who died because I was being all Secret Squirrel about it."
Maybe there's some other clever explanation that I missed first time, but it felt wrong.
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I quite enjoyed the episode, but then I'm a huge Gaiman fan anyway. And Warwick Davis is always a treat. I also watched the prequel for next week's show which mostly intrigued me for trying to figure out what the things in the background were...
I don't know if I'm alone in this, but it seems like the whole "Doctor falling for Clara" is happening far too quickly. I just can't buy that he would be in love with her, or even she with him, in the space of so few episodes, especially given her Big Secret. I'll be curious to see what happens with River's return in the 50th... or whether River has something to do with the whole Clara mystery.
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Originally posted by The Great Gumby:
My irritation was with the resolution. I know it was sort of foreshadowed by the discussion way back about all the death, but it didn't really work for me. He's quite happy to stay anonymous and let everyone die until some kid recognises him, at which point he suddenly beams everyone up and blows up the planet. If he'd gone through any sort of soul-searching, that would be one thing, but it was more like "Yes, I'm the emperor, congratulations, your reward for working it out is that you all survive, apart from the people who died because I was being all Secret Squirrel about it."
Maybe there's some other clever explanation that I missed first time, but it felt wrong.
I suppose he was hiding from the decision, just as he was hiding from being emperor. Given his earlier comment about feeling sorry for the one who had pressed the button that destroyed a galaxy (presumably himself and possibly the trigger for going into exile) it is perhaps not strange that he doesn't want to do so again. Once he is identified as Emperor he has to take responsibility for the situation (though I admit it is a quick change).
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Dafyd
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Originally posted by The Great Gumby:
The chess bit was obviously designed to show that there was some sort of intelligence behind The Not-Turk, which couldn't have been done any faster on film and could easily be explained away (if you were so inclined) as the quickest way of finding out whether it was actually playing chess, i.e. using some form of intelligence, or just moving pieces.
Neil Gaiman isn't the first Doctor Who writer to think of a link between the Cybermen and the Turk.
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I know it was sort of foreshadowed by the discussion way back about all the death, but it didn't really work for me.
I'm inclined to think that there was a soul-searching scene with Clara that got cut from the script slightly too late for anybody to catch it.
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As with centre of the Tardis, it was good and then had a copout ending.
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In prior seasons, I have made thoughtful, rational predictions about the season finale--which turn out to be completely wrong. So, in honor of the 50th Anniversary, I am going to make a bunch of completely ludicrous predictions that have absolutely no chance of being right. It saves time in the end.
(1) It turns out that the 11th Doctor was actually the Master all along. The 10th never regenerated but has been stranded because the Master stole the TARDIS. Possibly stranded in some pocket universe with a lovesick bug-eyed monster.
(2) The 10th Doctor reveals that his last name really is "Who." Unfortunately, his first name is "Boo." So he refuses to use it.
(3) Clara is a Block Transfer Computation created by Adric in a desperate attempt to signal that he is stranded. In a pocket universe. With a lovesick bug-eyed monster and some dude in an awesome coat and sneakers. Why, exactly, Adric didn't make Clara look like himself is something that he needs to work out with his psychiatrist later.
(4) The TARDIS knows that the 11th Doctor & Clara really are the Master and Adric. It doesn't like either of them and decides to blow itself up. Again.
(5) In the alternative, the TARDIS is blowing itself up just because it has got into the habit of doing that about once a season anyway and it wants to get a jump on next season.
(6) The Great Intelligence suddenly realizes that the letters "GI" actually stand for "gastrointestinal." It is so upset about being ignored as a serious threat that it gives itself an ulcer.
(7) And, at the very end, we suddenly see William Hartnell wake up and say "Oh, it was all just a dream!" (Yes, the Dallas Dodge. Solves all sorts of pesky continuity problems...)
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(8) Curse of Fatal Death is confirmed as canon. Rowan Atkinson was really the Ninth Doctor after all. All is right with the world.
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Dafyd
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Originally posted by Hedgehog:
(2) The 10th Doctor reveals that his last name really is "Who."
Considering that fandom considers calling the Doctor Doctor Who an elementary level clanger, there is a surprisingly large body of evidence that 'Who' is in fact his name.
The Doctor starts out as a grumpy Edwardian gentleman with a magic box that can take you anywhere. And he's a Lord. Personally, I think his name is Reith.
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Originally posted by Hedgehog:
(1) It turns out that the 11th Doctor was actually the Master all along. The 10th never regenerated but has been stranded because the Master stole the TARDIS. Possibly stranded in some pocket universe with a lovesick bug-eyed monster.
This is totally implausible. I'm pretty sure the lovesick monster would be surprisingly humanoid and sexy to human taste. A stylised, pretty sort of ugly at worst.
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Lord Jestocost
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I thought this on Saturday, but have only just remembered it due to the proximity of this and the "nice cup of tea" thread.
Did anyone else think that tying up an entire cyber army with the question of chess moves was a little like Arthur Dent tying up all the processing power of the Heart of Gold to compute an answer to why the earthman wants dried leaves in boiling water?
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As the tenth Doctor has met Arthur Dent I suspect he got the idea from him.
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Originally posted by Lord Jestocost:
I thought this on Saturday, but have only just remembered it due to the proximity of this and the "nice cup of tea" thread.
Did anyone else think that tying up an entire cyber army with the question of chess moves was a little like Arthur Dent tying up all the processing power of the Heart of Gold to compute an answer to why the earthman wants dried leaves in boiling water?
Yes! And considering that a few weeks back they apparently saw a Hooloovoo...
I think they're just throwing loads of references out there to see who catches them.
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Penny S
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Looking at the front of the Radio Times a strange thought struck me. There's Clara staring forward. There's the Doctor looking curious. There's the phrase "Who am I?". And my brain turned it round.
But that could not be because of the normal history.
So what about the Doctor's supposed human mother?
And on another tack, has anyone read "Summer Falls"? The blurb, with its mention of a Winter King, suggested a Pratchett reference. There's an obvious Doctor clone in the free chapter, "between names".
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So what about the Doctor's supposed human mother?
No.
No, no, no, no, no, no, no.
No!
The person who wrote that line of script in the tv movie should be slapped with a haddock until they promise never to do it again. If there is one thing - one thing anomg the teeming multitude of candidates - that makes me want to yell That's not canon!, it's that line.
He's the Doctor. He's not Mr flaming Spock.
A few years back, someone suggested on a fan website that the reason we don't know the Doctor's name is that it is in fact Dr Gusty Windfart. My own theory is that his name is The Doctor - first name 'The', surname 'Doctor'. And he's spent the last thousand years wondering why everyone's so rude as to keep calling him by his surname.
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Penny S
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Yeah, well, clutching at straws. He should fall into Teddington Lock.
I have now read Summer Falls. It seems not to be relevant to anything, but suggests that Amy had somehow had access to the works of Susan Cooper rather than Pratchett. It is in the realms of magic rather than science fiction. And the Doctor goes by the name of Barnabas.
The only thing that might be relevant is the concept of a fall. As in summer falling before the onset of a Fimbulwinter (nothing else of Garner, though) in a budded off world, but then returning. So the "fall of the eleventh" need not be the end of that version of the Doctor.
Since the Doctor must have a name in Gallifreyan, how is it going to mean anything to us at all?
Unless it is Omega, or, I have now discovered in Wikipedia, a Victorian scientist who discovered time travel and reached Gallifrey, and became known as the Other, the third of a triumvirate with Rassilon who set up the Time Lords. Herbert George? Who wrote all this stuff? Why am I reading it? (But there is a Victorian theme to this series.)
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I'm with Adeodatus - NOOOO! The Doctor is not half human!!! (though I did like the line in the film "I'm half stupid on my mother's side").
The chess problem thing reminded me more of Kirk and Spock defeating alien computers by telling them to calculate pi to the last digit.
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Dafyd
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Originally posted by Adeodatus:
The person who wrote that line of script in the tv movie should be slapped with a haddock until they promise never to do it again. If there is one thing - one thing anomg the teeming multitude of candidates - that makes me want to yell That's not canon!, it's that line.
Me, it's a toss-up between The Valeyard and strangling Peri. I mean, I agree the half-human thing is Not Canon, but there are worse offenders.
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Ariston
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Originally posted by Dafyd:
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Originally posted by Adeodatus:
The person who wrote that line of script in the tv movie should be slapped with a haddock until they promise never to do it again. If there is one thing - one thing anomg the teeming multitude of candidates - that makes me want to yell That's not canon!, it's that line.
Me, it's a toss-up between The Valeyard and strangling Peri. I mean, I agree the half-human thing is Not Canon, but there are worse offenders.
Then again, I think everyone has wanted to strangle Peri at some point or other just to shut up that awful American accent.
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It wasn't Peri's accent so much (I couldn't tell it wasn't genuine) as the whiny, screechy way it was used.
If the Doctor turns out to be Martin Smith from Croydon, that'll be it for me.
I wish they weren't doing this. We went through all this hype and excitement with Inspector Morse, who turned out to be called Endeavour, which was utterly ridiculous, and spoiled the fun of speculation. Also, it signalled the end of the programmes - though that might not be a bad thing with Doctor Who; you can't keep piling on cliffhangers and building it up to be more and more messianic and full of mysteries about the leading characters' identities forever. We've had Who Is River, we're getting Who Is Clara, and now about to get Who Is Who.
It wouldn't now surprise me if he was an entire Who's Who of multiple personalities, and we get to find out at some point that he'd secretly been taken over by the Cybermen/Daleks and cloned/is dreaming the whole thing.
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Then again, I think everyone has wanted to strangle Peri at some point or other just to shut up that awful American accent.
There are many adjectives that can be applied to Peri's accent, but American is not one of them.
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Having been overloaded by the trailer - on radio too. I am caring less but the repeated terms of 'the impossible girl' and 'born to save the doctor' compared to 'the impossible astronaut' and River captured at birth 'to kill the doctor' lead me to a theory that if River turned out to be the Doctor's wife then Clara wil be the Doctor's daughter sent to live with a foster family on earth in her current format.
Full of flaws but as all the plots are I am sure they can find a button to cover it.
FWIW I can't see it being the end of the series when it and merchandising is so valuable.
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Marina Sirtis' accent as Deanna Troi in Star Trek: TNG wasn't much better but at least it was sexy.
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Marina Sirtis' accent as Deanna Troi in Star Trek: TNG wasn't much better but at least it was sexy.
Who cared? Especially in series 1 with the "Cosmic Cheerleader" uniform.
"Captain! They're Firing!"
"Thank you No. 1 - Deanna - do you have any input?"
"I'm sensing great hostility Captain"
"Thank you Deanna. Remind me again why you get the comfy chair while Worf has to stand."
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Full of flaws but as all the plots are I am sure they can find a button to cover it.
And that's the problem, isn't it? With the right handwaving, the answer could be absolutely anything. Maybe she's both Amy and River from a parallel dimension, and the paradox of being her own mother is going to tear the universe apart. I've actually got to the point where I don't fucking care who sodding Clara is, I just want it to all be sorted out in the forlorn hope that next series can involve some proper stories, rather than clunky episodes with little purpose other than to advance a tedious arc which (as far as anyone knows) might not have any particular significance to anything.
Why is this so important? Because we keep being told that it is. There appears to be someone who's living (or lived) different lives - so what? It's a curiosity, or a mystery, but the only reason we have for considering it important in any way is that IT KEEPS BEING EMPHASISED OVER AND OVER AND OVER AGAIN! Maybe it is important - maybe she's going to destroy the universe through the power of paradox. But show me, don't tell me. Give me some reason to give a shit about this conundrum other than making it the central point of the entire series.
I want to love Doctor Who, and I still get as excited as a 6-year-old on Christmas Eve when there's a new series coming, but it's bloody hard sometimes.
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Originally posted by Karl: Liberal Backslider:
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Originally posted by Matt Black:
Marina Sirtis' accent as Deanna Troi in Star Trek: TNG wasn't much better but at least it was sexy.
Who cared? Especially in series 1 with the "Cosmic Cheerleader" uniform.
"Captain! They're Firing!"
"Thank you No. 1 - Deanna - do you have any input?"
"I'm sensing great hostility Captain"
"Thank you Deanna. Remind me again why you get the comfy chair while Worf has to stand."
Oh yes....<drool>
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"Thank you Deanna. Remind me again why you get the comfy chair while Worf has to stand."
A Klingon never sits in the presence of a superior officer. Or something like that.
(In all seriousness, I remember hearing a story about Michael Dorn only getting that part because he spent the four hours in the green room before his audition standing stiffly in a corner and never once smiling.)
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Originally posted by The Great Gumby:
I want to love Doctor Who, and I still get as excited as a 6-year-old on Christmas Eve when there's a new series coming, but it's bloody hard sometimes.
YES. Thank you for putting into words how I feel about this.
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I've actually got to the point where I don't fucking care who sodding Clara is, I just want it to all be sorted out in the forlorn hope that next series can involve some proper stories, rather than clunky episodes with little purpose other than to advance a tedious arc which (as far as anyone knows) might not have any particular significance to anything.
Yes. Thank you for saying that.
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In prior seasons, I have made thoughtful, rational predictions about the season finale--which turn out to be completely wrong. So, in honor of the 50th Anniversary, I am going to make a bunch of completely ludicrous predictions that have absolutely no chance of being right. It saves time in the end.
gosh how did you guess both of them??
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(not going to actually find out yill the bus arrives)
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Based on no research at all, but purely random connections, the name might be:
Bertram Mills (I saw a trapeze artist die there as a child, but don't remember seeing it. Is th ewhole thing a circus?)
Steven Moffat
Nigel (friend's contribution)
Doris (don't ask, my brain is obviously weird)
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James James Morrison Morrison Wetherby George Dupree (That dratted verse is now an earworm - I think there is a link with people going where they've been warned not to.)
What
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Why
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Ten minutes to go
Barnabas (In Summer Falls)
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Rumpelstiltskin
Or English version Tom Tit Tot
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