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@Eutychus, previous page
Interesting theory, but without resorting to a decoy theory, I think Trump's moves on immigration might be explainable simply as wanting to get the more populist and controversial parts of his agenda out of the way, so they don't clutter up the rest of his term.
If he keeps the ban in place for three months, or whatever it's supposed to be, and then let's it lapse, his base is still gonna lionize him for the rest of his term as The Guy Who Kicked Out A Bunch Of Muslims. But if he waits year to do it, it gets in the way of whatever else he's trying to do at that time.
I've mentioned elsewhere the former Canadian PM's attempt to move the Tel Aviv embassy to Jerusalem. He tried to do that his first week in office. And you may recall that gays-in-the-military(pretty controversial for its day) was among the very first issues that Bill Clinton addressed. I think Trump's tactic here might be along those lines.
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Originally posted by Og: Thread Killer:
Trump coming out this morning saying he is going to keep enforcing the Obame EO on LGBTQ rights.
Which is an indication that the Bannon faction is presently more influential with Trump than the Pence faction. As Stetson noted, Bannon and his adherents are fairly indifferent to gay rights.
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Much as I dislike a lot of the executive orders coming from Trump's pen, it's not entirely clear to me if the process itself is that wild a departure from previous protocol. The Executive Orders that Trump is vowing to uphold on gay rights, for example, were issued by one man, ie. Barack Obama.
And my ignorance on this topic is genuine, not rhetorical, as I really don't know exactly when and under what circumstances a president can issue executive orders. I did read somewhere that Bush II and Obama amped up the frequency of EOs considerably, so there might be a bit of blame to go around on this.
Executive Orders are essentially the directions that the president gives to the various departments under his control. There's a lot of latitude there, but it's not unlimited. Executive Orders can't violate the Constitution, nor can they be contrary to law. Usually an EO is a president acting within a broad grant of power by Congress. For example, Congress may establish guidelines for immigration and categories for different types of foreign travelers but leaves it to the President (acting through the appropriate agencies) to figure out the fine details.
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The Emancipation Proclamation and The New Deal were executive orders.
The Emancipation Proclamation was an Executive Order. The New Deal was a series of programs mostly built on new legislation (FDR had a very cooperative Congress in his first term) and administered via Executive Order. For example, Social Security (probably the best known and longest enduring New Deal agency) was established by the Social Security Act of 1935, a bit of Congressional legislation. Abandoning the gold standard was accomplished by a combination of Executive Order and legislation. The Federal Deposit Insurance Corporation (another fairly well-known New Deal program) was established by the Banking Act of 1933. In short, something as far-reaching and intricate as the New Deal could not have been enacted by Executive Order alone.
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Which is an indication that the Bannon faction is presently more influential with Trump than the Pence faction. As Stetson noted, Bannon and his adherents are fairly indifferent to gay rights.
It occurs to me that one way to upset the current Presidency is if Trump gets it into his head that a lot of people believe Bannon pulls his strings. If Trump got the idea that Bannon is believed to be using Trump as a sockpuppet I think Bannon would be out.
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I have a suggestion. This thread has become very unwieldy. There are various topics in the last thirty-six pages, but it is hard to keep them all straight. Do we have similar threads about the May government? No, there are separate topics on her decisions, activities, and speeches. Maybe it is time to do the same with the Trump gan--I mean, government. Otherwise, the thread is going to get very long over the next four years if he can survive.
No, if you want to talk about the immigration ban, start a new thread.
If you want to talk about the Democratic Party delaying tactics, start a new thread.
If you want to continue to discuss Steve Bannon's influence on the Orange One, start a new thread.
Just saying.
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Originally posted by sabine:
Every president since Geo. Washington has had the ability to issue executive orders. They aren't quite the same as laws from Congress but can carry weight and (as we've seen) do some damage.
The Emancipation Proclamation and The New Deal were executive orders.
Yup. As was putting people in internment camps in WWII. (Japanese and Aleuts. Not sure if there were any others.)
It's part of the whole "checks and balances" system. And it's all in how you use it, and for what.
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Originally posted by Golden Key:
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Originally posted by sabine:
Every president since Geo. Washington has had the ability to issue executive orders. They aren't quite the same as laws from Congress but can carry weight and (as we've seen) do some damage.
The Emancipation Proclamation and The New Deal were executive orders.
Yup. As was putting people in internment camps in WWII. (Japanese and Aleuts. Not sure if there were any others.)
It's part of the whole "checks and balances" system. And it's all in how you use it, and for what.
GK, did you mean to imply that I was supporting Trump's use of EO? Or that I was trying to paint a certain picture of EOs.?(Hard to tell) I wasn't. I was simply offering a couple of examples after someone questioned the practice as undemocratic.
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Gramps wrote:
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No, if you want to talk about the immigration ban, start a new thread.
If you want to talk about the Democratic Party delaying tactics, start a new thread.
If you want to continue to discuss Steve Bannon's influence on the Orange One, start a new thread.
I see your point, but, given how many Trump related issues we're likely to be discussing in the next few years, your suggestion could lead to the front page of the forum harbouring at least a dozen American political threads at any one time.
That said, I could see something like the immigration ban getting its own thread, because it's an issue with significant implications beyond everyday politics. The ideological dialectic between Pence and Bannon, not so much.
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Originally posted by Brenda Clough:
This article from the Atlantic by David Frum is long but free. And utterly terrifying.
The article is utterly terrifying, but is also very informative. For example, it includes the following:
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In the early days of the Trump transition, Nic Dawes, a journalist who has worked in South Africa, delivered an ominous warning to the American media about what to expect. “Get used to being stigmatized as ‘opposition,’ ” he wrote. “The basic idea is simple: to delegitimize accountability journalism by framing it as partisan.”
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sabine--
Oh, no, no, no. Sorry. ![[Hot and Hormonal]](icon_redface.gif) I only meant it as another example. Something on the news, last week, mentioned that an executive order was used to do the internment camps. Given what T is doing, I wanted to include that.
Sorry I did it clumsily.
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Ostentatiously quoting myself here:
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My main concern with Trump and gay-rights involves SCOTUS appointments, because he HAS promised to appoint judges who want to discard Roe V. Wade(this likely as a sop to the aforementioned Religious Right), and I would think it almost impossible to find judges who want to overturn abortion rights while keeping gay rights intact.
And see the current headlines. Not sure exactly what, if anything, that appointee has said about gay rights, but the article I saw described him as being the second-closest to Scalia on Trump's short list.
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quote:
Originally posted by W Hyatt:
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Originally posted by Brenda Clough:
This article from the Atlantic by David Frum is long but free. And utterly terrifying.
The article is utterly terrifying, but is also very informative. For example, it includes the following:
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In the early days of the Trump transition, Nic Dawes, a journalist who has worked in South Africa, delivered an ominous warning to the American media about what to expect. “Get used to being stigmatized as ‘opposition,’ ” he wrote. “The basic idea is simple: to delegitimize accountability journalism by framing it as partisan.”
Well, on the face of it, that's pretty much just describing the standard right-wing attitude toward the media, going back at least to Spiro Agnew and the nattering nabobs. Trump might be a little more obnoxious about it, but I don't know if it represents a substantial shift in tactics.
And FWIW, David Frum was a speechwriter for the Bush II administration, where his most notable accomplishment was introducing the phrase "Axis Of Evil" into the political vocabulary. So it's a little funny to see him now posing as the voice of moderation.
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I need some information: Some sources unknown to me as verifiable are posting in Another Place that Trump appointee Bannon needs to pass Congressional oversight to sit on the National Security Council. Is this true?
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Pete--
Possibly. MaryLouise posted about it on the "Trumpton" thread in Hell, and there's a link to the pertinent legal code.
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If you google "Does Bannon need to pass Congressional oversight to sit on the National Security Council" you'll see several articles that point out that technically, Bannon has been appointed to the principals committee rather than the NSC and therefore might not need Congressional approval.
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Pete--
Possibly. MaryLouise posted about it on the "Trumpton" thread in Hell, and there's a link to the pertinent legal code.
Although I'm not sure this is not just grasping at straws.
This would seem to be the pertinent clause:
(6) the Secretaries and Under Secretaries of other executive departments and of the military departments, when appointed by the President by and with the advice and consent of the Senate, to serve at his pleasure.
This refers to secretaries and undersecretaries of executive or military departments, usually subject to confirmation by their nature. Bannon is neither. He'd be down at the bottom -- other people the president designates, or special advisors.
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Originally posted by Stetson:
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And FWIW, David Frum was a speechwriter for the Bush II administration, where his most notable accomplishment was introducing the phrase "Axis Of Evil" into the political vocabulary. So it's a little funny to see him now posing as the voice of moderation.
Frankly, when I see people from the Bush era White House backing off muttering "whoah, too rich for my blood!" my instinctive response is to conclude that we are well and truly in the brown and smelly stuff.
To paraphrase Malcolm Tucker the next four years are going to be like The Shawshank Redemption, with lots of tunneling through shit and no redemption.
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Originally posted by Golden Key:
sabine--
Oh, no, no, no. Sorry. I only meant it as another example. Something on the news, last week, mentioned that an executive order was used to do the internment camps. Given what T is doing, I wanted to include that.et tr
Sorry I did it clumsily.
Thanks, GK. I thought maybe this was the case. Plain text can get tricky, esp on long threads with lots of issues. ![[Smile]](smile.gif)
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quote:
Originally posted by W Hyatt:
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Originally posted by Brenda Clough:
This article from the Atlantic by David Frum is long but free. And utterly terrifying.
The article is utterly terrifying, but is also very informative.
Thanks, WH. I waded my way through the entire article. It was well worth the read. It provides a good analysis on how the US (and other Western democracies) could slide in the direction of soft totalitarianism. That is if we are not interrupted by WWIII in the process.
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Covering Trump the Reuters Way
I think this is a wonderful response to the Trump administration from one of the most important news gatherers in the world.
I'm not vouching for the accuracy of this Tl;dr but here goes: We have plenty of experience dealing with administrations like this. Let's just do what we do in places that have always been unfriendly to the press. It works.
On a different tack, I saw a blonde republican state attorney general with a square jaw give a defence of Trump's immigration order on PBS yesterday. He looked like Max Headroom. The weakness of course is blaming the Obama Administration for leaving Saudi Arabia, Jordan and Egypt off the list. Oh, and the whole damn idea in the first place, but the leaving countries out bit is inconsistent within the framework used to justify the ban by Trump and his cronies.
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I'm pondering the future of this thread, which is getting multi-faceted and unwieldy as has been observed. Shipmates have absolute freedom to set up separately for serious discussion specific issues which they feel are worthy of some detailed discussion. That will save this thread from becoming a catch-all for serious discussion on anything related to the policies and actions of the new President and/or his administration.
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Barnabas--
On that topic: I've been looking for the previous version of this thread, the 2016 one, but haven't been able to track it down. My understanding was that it was going to be kept.
Can you provide a link, please?
Thanks!
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Originally posted by Golden Key:
Barnabas--
On that topic: I've been looking for the previous version of this thread, the 2016 one, but haven't been able to track it down. My understanding was that it was going to be kept.
Can you provide a link, please?
Thanks!
I'm obviously not Barnabas, but do you mean this one?
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Pigwidgeon--
Yes. Thanks!
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In defence of David Frum, this is not out of step with his recent career. He has for a while now been arguing that the lunatics have taken older the asylum. Or that the GOP sold its soul to the inmates. In many circles he is now viewed a being an apostate.
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I still remember when David Frum was a Tory hack here in Canada. He's really changed his tune in the last few years; I can only assume this is a result of having seen the disasters his fellow conservatives created on both sides of the border at all levels of government when they had the chance.
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Meanwhile, back on T's phone:
"President Trump Warns Mexico He Might Send U.S. Troops to Take Care of 'Bad Hombres'." (AP, via Time)
Both sides are now denying it was any kind of threat. But the report is from the AP, so it's likely to be accurate.
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So Trump is gutting the regulations put into place after the banking crisis.
Not doing it with a public executive order of course.
How long until his supporters discover nothing has changed and if anything its gotten worse?
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Originally posted by Og: Thread Killer:
So Trump is gutting the regulations put into place after the banking crisis.
Not doing it with a public executive order of course.
How long until his supporters discover nothing has changed and if anything its gotten worse?
Had they the required intelligence, they would not have voted for him.
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This may actually be worthy of its own thread: the upcoming plan to alter the law in the US to favor religion. Only Christian religion, I should add.
If this should happen, will it be good for the church? Or not?
Certainly it will be good for those whose church preaches "My god hates more people than your God."
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Originally posted by sabine:
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Originally posted by Brenda Clough:
This may actually be worthy of its own thread: the upcoming plan to alter the law in the US to favor religion. Only Christian religion, I should add.
If this should happen, will it be good for the church? Or not?
Certainly it will be good for those whose church preaches "My god hates more people than your God."
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Here's an interesting take on one of the more obvious consequences of repealing the Johnson Amendment:
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If churches can gather money without disclosing their donors – and obviously that degree of privacy protection is required for the free exercise of religion – and spend that money to run political campaigns, then the market is open for foreign as well as domestic corruption. The Russian, Chinese, Saudi, and Iranian governments would all, predictably, either find congregations already recognized by the IRS to use as front groups or incorporate new ones. Of course a group organized as a mosque might not be able to wield much influence without stirring up opposition, but nothing bars the Saudis or the Iranians from paying some stooges to set up a fake Baptist church.
Plus if contributions to churches are tax deductible and contributions to ordinary PACs are not, churches become the preferred method of political campaigning.
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...but nothing bars the Saudis or the Iranians from paying some stooges to set up a fake Baptist church.
Could Westboro Baptist Church have a future after all?
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Plus if contributions to churches are tax deductible and contributions to ordinary PACs are not, churches become the preferred method of political campaigning.
Fully co opting the churches from focus on the things of God to focus on the things of man. Although some of these people might not see a difference.
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Originally posted by mousethief:
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Originally posted by Crœsos:
Plus if contributions to churches are tax deductible and contributions to ordinary PACs are not, churches become the preferred method of political campaigning.
Fully co opting the churches from focus on the things of God to focus on the things of man. Although some of these people might not see a difference.
It will ( I wish it was only would but it will happen) be interesting to see who can raise more money for political purposes:
hate cloaked in personal redemption
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In the circles I move in, there are already a number of sorta-churhes, all of which are now champing at the bit to start collecting money. The Pastafarian church and the church of Cthulhu (they have a great hymnal, you wouldn't believe how great) come immediately to mind, and there are a lot more.
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Interesting re the Church of Cthulhu's hymnbook, Brenda.
Full of the Great Old Ones, no?
I'll collect me congeries of iridescent globes on the way out...
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I've had a sudden unfunny thought while thinking about donations to ACLU, probably because I'd just been reading a reminiscence from someone whose grandfather only got out of Germany by the skin of his teeth and an Iron Cross, and whose great grandparents all dies in Treblinka.
Is there any way that Trump could get at the bank accounts of opponents, and either sequester them, or, worse, extract the money from them?
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Doubtless his Russian hacker pals could assist...
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But Trump is the ACLU's best fund raiser! I've never made a donation to them -- until yesterday. (I also made my first donation to the International Rescue Committee yesterday.)
I haven't donated yet, but I understand that Mike Pence has (inadvertently) been a major fund raiser for Planned Parenthood.
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We have this month joined PP, also the ACLU and the AARP. These are all lobbying groups of some power, and it is sensible to combine our forces. My husband reports that so many people joined the ACLU that their swag is entirely gone -- no more mugs, mouse pads, tees, etc. All the shelves stripped clean by anxious new members.
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Bishops Finger
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Thanks, Brenda. I think it's time I sought Ordination (or Ordainment) in the FUCC...
Ia! Ia! Cthulhu fhtagn!
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Our words are giants when they do us an injury, and dwarfs when they do us a service. (Wilkie Collins)
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Brenda Clough
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Their Sunday services (usually held at SF conventions) are fully hymnal and very impressive.
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Penny S
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Originally posted by Bishops Finger:
Doubtless his Russian hacker pals could assist...
IJ
I was thinking about alterations to US law - I said it was unfunny.
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Stetson
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I'm trying to imagine the public discussion that would be happening right now if Trump had said who exactly those American "killers" are.
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Crœsos
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I think this summarizes the Trump Administration as we've seen it so far:
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Mr. Priebus bristles at the perception that he occupies a diminished perch in the West Wing pecking order compared with previous chiefs. But for the moment, Mr. Bannon remains the president’s dominant adviser, despite Mr. Trump’s anger that he was not fully briefed on details of the executive order he signed giving his chief strategist a seat on the National Security Council, a greater source of frustration to the president than the fallout from the travel ban.
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To pass the time between meetings, Mr. Trump gives quick tours to visitors, highlighting little tweaks he has made after initially expecting he would have to pay for them himself.
Flanking his desk are portraits of Presidents Thomas Jefferson and Andrew Jackson. He will linger on the opulence of the newly hung golden drapes, which he told a recent visitor were once used by Franklin D. Roosevelt but in fact were patterned for Bill Clinton. For a man who sometimes has trouble concentrating on policy memos, Mr. Trump was delighted to page through a book that offered him 17 window covering options.
Can't be bothered to read the Executive Orders he's signing, but has an endless enthusiasm for looking through fabric swatches for curtains. Also the bit about how he was fairly restrained until it was explained to him that he was using the taxpayer's money to redecorate, not his own.
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