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Originally posted by dj_ordinaire:
Regarding the Angelus being sung publically after Masses that end at noon or before ones which start at 6, this seems to be a real A-C peculiarity and I'd like to know where it came from. I suppose some very advanced clergy must have reasoned nobody would do such things by themselves without being led by example!
In England too my parish did it - said rather than sung during Lent, and replaced with the Regina Coeli in Eastertide.
Interestingly almost every Anglo-Catholic parish in London seems to sing the Angelus (with Regina C in Eastertide)at the end of mass, even one where mass begins at 9.30, as opposed to the more usual 10.30 or 11am start. I must admit I am so acclimatised to this now that I would probably think it strange of it weren't sung. The only parish I have come across that sings it at the beginning is St Mathias Stoke Newington.
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Interestingly almost every Anglo-Catholic parish in London seems to sing the Angelus
I hope you mean "every Anglo-Catholic parish in London which I have visited recently". You can't spend your time monitoring them all.
And you speak as though they are a limited and definite number, whereas the boundaries are far more fluid.
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Originally posted by Liturgylover:
Interestingly almost every Anglo-Catholic parish in London seems to sing the Angelus
I hope you mean "every Anglo-Catholic parish in London which I have visited recently". You can't spend your time monitoring them all.
And you speak as though they are a limited and definite number, whereas the boundaries are far more fluid.
Picky, aren't you?....When I said London, I meant Diocese of but am speaking most of Central and North London. And yes, I have visited (not monitored) many over the last 3 years and have friends at many others. I don't see the boundaries as being fluid at all.
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A comment on the Fr. Hunwicke blog post linked to above re: the Angelus at the end of Mass in Anglo-Catholic parishes mentions hearing at St. Clement's Episcopal Parish in Philadelphia that the practice is following with what is done at St. Mary's, Bourne St. As I have no knowledge whatsoever of that church in London, I ask if anyone else does and whether or not it is known for inspiring other parishes to emulate its liturgical practices.
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I am not sure about its influence elsewhere but St Mary Bourne St retains a distinctive liturgical identity. High Mass is in traditional language, the EP is the catholic BCP varient, sung Creed and Our Father, Sung propers, and mass ends with the Ite missa est and Angelus sung before the shrine of Our Lady of Peace. Choral mass on Sunday but sung mass (De Angelis) for weekday feasts. Evensong is sung (rather than choral) and an altogether low key affair, though the same cannot be said for Evensong with Double Benediction for Corpus Christi. The Angelus is said prior to Evensong at 6pm.
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We may have had this discussion sometime before, but do many Anglo-Catholic churches do the Blessing of St Blaise on 3rd February ?
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the EP is the catholic BCP varient,
As permitted by note 27 on page 335 of Common Worship.
St Mary's is a lovely example in its fittings of tasteful 1930s baroque. The basic Victorian building is not large.
What I remember of High Mass there was the acolytes sitting on the side steps up to the altar facing outward during the sermon.
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We may have had this discussion sometime before, but do many Anglo-Catholic churches do the Blessing of St Blaise on 3rd February ?
St Silas, Kentish Town is one..
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Originally posted by stonespring:
A comment on the Fr. Hunwicke blog post linked to above re: the Angelus at the end of Mass in Anglo-Catholic parishes mentions hearing at St. Clement's Episcopal Parish in Philadelphia that the practice is following with what is done at St. Mary's, Bourne St. As I have no knowledge whatsoever of that church in London, I ask if anyone else does and whether or not it is known for inspiring other parishes to emulate its liturgical practices.
Fr Gordon Reid, recently retires as Rector of S Clement's philadelphia lived in the clergy house at Bourne Street in the early 90s, when he was Vicar General of Gibraltar. Maybe he exported some Bourne Street customs?
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Originally posted by Liturgylover:
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Originally posted by dj_ordinaire:
Regarding the Angelus being sung publically after Masses that end at noon or before ones which start at 6, this seems to be a real A-C peculiarity and I'd like to know where it came from. I suppose some very advanced clergy must have reasoned nobody would do such things by themselves without being led by example!
In England too my parish did it - said rather than sung during Lent, and replaced with the Regina Coeli in Eastertide.
Interestingly almost every Anglo-Catholic parish in London seems to sing the Angelus (with Regina C in Eastertide)at the end of mass, even one where mass begins at 9.30, as opposed to the more usual 10.30 or 11am start. I must admit I am so acclimatised to this now that I would probably think it strange of it weren't sung. The only parish I have come across that sings it at the beginning is St Mathias Stoke Newington.
Actually now I think of it I've sung in after Sunday Masses starting at 9.30 as well... I guess it is at the point where it has effectively become a sort of Marian thanksgiving more than a noonday devotion!
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Originally posted by Forthview:
We may have had this discussion sometime before, but do many Anglo-Catholic churches do the Blessing of St Blaise on 3rd February ?
We do, but depending on when 3rd February falls, we sometimes do this at the end of the Candlemas Masses on 2nd February.
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Originally posted by stonespring:
A comment on the Fr. Hunwicke blog post linked to above re: the Angelus at the end of Mass in Anglo-Catholic parishes mentions hearing at St. Clement's Episcopal Parish in Philadelphia that the practice is following with what is done at St. Mary's, Bourne St. As I have no knowledge whatsoever of that church in London, I ask if anyone else does and whether or not it is known for inspiring other parishes to emulate its liturgical practices.
Fr Gordon Reid, recently retires as Rector of S Clement's philadelphia lived in the clergy house at Bourne Street in the early 90s, when he was Vicar General of Gibraltar. Maybe he exported some Bourne Street customs?
S Clement's has had a fairly longstanding reputation as an A-C shrine church, far predating Reid's tenure. Reports indicate that while Reid was rector, he worked to rein in the parish's extravagantly Tridentine tendencies, prompting some speculation as to whether he had a brief from the bishop to bring S Clement's liturgical practices closer to the mainstream of TEC. No idea as to whether that's actually true, of course.
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S Clement's has had a fairly longstanding reputation as an A-C shrine church, far predating Reid's tenure. Reports indicate that while Reid was rector, he worked to rein in the parish's extravagantly Tridentine tendencies, prompting some speculation as to whether he had a brief from the bishop to bring S Clement's liturgical practices closer to the mainstream of TEC. No idea as to whether that's actually true, of course.
I don't recall Fr Reid showing any low church tendencies at Bourne Street, but it is over 20 years since I last spoke to him. And if you do have low church tendencies, Bourne Street is hardly the place to express them...
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Old St Paul’s Edinburgh is the leading Anglo Catholic church of the Scottish Episcopal Church, although since they have women priests, some here may deny that.
They have Evensong and Benediction on Sundays with a few subtle adaptions.
The Marian privileges mentioned in the Divine Praises are nuanced, shall we say.
The translation of O Salutaris has been adapted to modern sensibilities. Instead of “O saving victim opening wide/ The gates of heaven to MAN below”, it is sung “The gates of heaven to ALL below.”
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Well, the mainstream of TEC practice is hardly low! But it doesn't usually encompass offices from the Anglican Breviary and (as a friend of mine said) generally practicing religion like an 18th-century Belgian.
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Originally posted by venbede:
The translation of O Salutaris has been adapted to modern sensibilities. Instead of “O saving victim opening wide/ The gates of heaven to MAN below”, it is sung “The gates of heaven to ALL below.”
When I was last there (it was a festival day with street procession) I was struck by how violently the hymn texts had been bowdlerized (vandalized?). As an instance EVERY bit of military verbiage had been excised from 'For All the Saints,' which took quite a bit of doing. As the texts were all printed in the leaflet, I don't know whether this was a parish peculiarity or that of the hymnal in use, but it was disconcerting.
As for 'O saving victim' you should just leave it in 'God's own holy Latin'!
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Quite right. Or where there's no Latin, do what I do and make sure you have a copy of A&M/ The English Hymnal to hand, and sing the proper words from that (if you can't remember them).
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A new query. I can't remember whether I, or someone else, has asked this before.
Back in the 1950s, i.e. 60 years ago, I can remember the then equivalent of what these days are called the Intercessions, sometimes being being prayed from half way down the central aisle in stead of the vicar's pew in the chancel. Lay people didn't do Intercessions in those days. I think this was from a prayer desk, but I can't quite remember. I can't recall having seen this done anywhere since. So I don't know whether this was a peculiar quirk of one particular vicar, an old fashioned practice that was dying out, or even something that's quite widespread in circles different to mine.
Has anyone else ever encountered this? Does anyone say, 'O we always do that'? Either way, does anyone know why it was done? Or, for that matter, when or why it died out?
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Originally posted by Enoch:
Has anyone else ever encountered this? Does anyone say, 'O we always do that'? Either way, does anyone know why it was done? Or, for that matter, when or why it died out?
There are at least a couple of Anglican churches here in Winnipeg that have these prayer desks in place (St. Luke, and St. George Crescentwood). I have not been to a Sunday Eucharist at either of these places in a long time, so I don't know if they are still using them or not.
In our parish (St. Michael and All Angels), the layperson reading the Intercessions used to stand in the centre aisle facing east while reading the intercessions, but in more recent times they have been read from the lectern in order to make them audible for those with diminished hearing.
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In the parish I attended here in Ottawa some 20 years ago, the custom was for the (lay) prayer leader to lead from the middle of the nave, using a microphone. As far as I know, that's still the case.
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Originally posted by Enoch:
A new query. I can't remember whether I, or someone else, has asked this before.
Back in the 1950s, i.e. 60 years ago, I can remember the then equivalent of what these days are called the Intercessions, sometimes being being prayed from half way down the central aisle in stead of the vicar's pew in the chancel. Lay people didn't do Intercessions in those days. I think this was from a prayer desk, but I can't quite remember. I can't recall having seen this done anywhere since. So I don't know whether this was a peculiar quirk of one particular vicar, an old fashioned practice that was dying out, or even something that's quite widespread in circles different to mine.
Has anyone else ever encountered this? Does anyone say, 'O we always do that'? Either way, does anyone know why it was done? Or, for that matter, when or why it died out?
I think that in (say) the 1960s it was still quite common. As it was explained to this incomer, this was the desk from which the litany was read on the appointed occasions---although that was pretty much ignored by then.
I suspect it died out when lay people began to "lead" the intercessions.
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I think there is some symbolism in the Prayers of the faithful coming from the faithful, rather than being read at them. The fact that often they are read towards the congregtion from a lectern is maybe what has turned them into mini sermons. They are not really addressed to God at all.
At S Mary's Bourne Stree (which has cropped up somewhere here before), the custom was for them to be read by a layperson from the back of the nave. I also recall another church in the north of England where the Vicar would process, with server, to the back of the nave to read the bidding prayers at Mass.
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Originally posted by Bibaculus:
The fact that often they are read towards the congregtion from a lectern is maybe what has turned them into mini sermons. They are not really addressed to God at all.
Like.
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Originally posted by John Holding:
In the parish I attended here in Ottawa some 20 years ago, the custom was for the (lay) prayer leader to lead from the middle of the nave, using a microphone. As far as I know, that's still the case.
John
I have seen this in several parishes and I much prefer it. I think it can help in focussing the congregations minds on prayer to God, rather than looking at what the Intercessor is wearing or how they are delivering the petitions.
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Originally posted by venbede:
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Originally posted by Bibaculus:
The fact that often they are read towards the congregtion from a lectern is maybe what has turned them into mini sermons. They are not really addressed to God at all.
Like.
I am thinking of bidding prayers about current events, secular or ecclesiastical, which are used to make points. So rather than 'Let us beseech Almighty God to guide the general Synod in Westminster niw assembled', one gets' Almighty God, as you have doubtless seen in the Church times, the general synod is debating a revision to the rules on fasting communion. We pray that the true doctrine of the early church requiring fasting from midnight the night before will be upheld, as it is here at St Frithfroths, and that all of us present may in our personal lives and practises continue to maintain that discipline, excepting, of course, the elderly and sick.'
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When I do intercessions, I always address the congregation who are doing the actual interceding.
Back to Enoch's point. I suspect a litany desk was nothing to do with the Holy Communion (sic).
The BCP requires the Litany to be said every Wednesday and Friday as well as Sunday. A special desk looks like a Victorian adjunct to this practice.
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The BCP requires the Litany to be said every Wednesday and Friday as well as Sunday. A special desk looks like a Victorian adjunct to this practice.
It's not so much the desk that's special, but where it is placed: it's to comply with Joel 2:17, surely? "Let the priests, the ministers of the LORD, weep between the porch and the altar, and let them say, Spare thy people, O LORD, and give not thine heritage to reproach, that the heathen should rule over them: wherefore should they say among the people, Where is their God?"
I assume the Victorians thought they were restoring some medieval custom or other, but haven't a clue if there are medieval litany desks.
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Regarding honorifics:
I noticed that people who are named Deans or Canons start using their new honorific before their actual installation. Newly named Deans for example, use "Very Rev" before their actual installation. This is in contrast to ordination in which it is a definite No-No for ordinands to go by "Rev" before the laying on of hands. Can anyone offer a rationale?
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Regarding honorifics:
I noticed that people who are named Deans or Canons start using their new honorific before their actual installation. Newly named Deans for example, use "Very Rev" before their actual installation. This is in contrast to ordination in which it is a definite No-No for ordinands to go by "Rev" before the laying on of hands. Can anyone offer a rationale?
Ordination is ontological, sacramental and lifelong. Canonries and deaneries are simply appointed positions.
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Simple question. Does the Queen's reign date from 6th February 1952 or 2nd June 1953? The answer to that question explains also why Deans and Canons are such from appointment, not ceremony.
Thank you meanwhile to all those who have answered my question about the Intercessions being taken from half the way down the central aisle.
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Simple question. Does the Queen's reign date from 6th February 1952 or 2nd June 1953? The answer to that question explains also why Deans and Canons are such from appointment, not ceremony.
Thank you meanwhile to all those who have answered my question about the Intercessions being taken from half the way down the central aisle.
From 1952-- there is a constitutional discussion on whether or not she reigns from the moment of her predecessor's death or from the moment of her proclamation (usually 2-4 days later). Authorities lean toward the former. There is an argument that the spiritual nature of kingship comes from the moment of anointing (the physical crown itself is on the irrelevant, if decorative, side)
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She was visiting Africa when her father died. It was said at the time the she went to bed a princess and woke up a queen.
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When I was last there (it was a festival day with street procession)
That business about For All the Saints is very silly.
Anyone who doesn’t know Edinburgh will not appreciate how courageous, not to say batty, Old St Paul’s are in having a street procession.
It is not on a street. It is half way down a 45 degree steep alley descending from the Royal Mile to a street running along side Waverley Station, where there is a lift up to the church for the disabled access.
Heaven only knows how the manage a street procession, but I hope they get in John Knox’s House just down the Royal Mile.
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they walk up from the back entrance to the church to the top of the passageway on to the Royal Mile (High Street) then walk down about 100 metres and turn back down another alleyway which takes them down to the lower road and back in the front entrance of the church, which necessitates climbing back up stairs which are called the Calvary Stairway.
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Apologies if this has been asked many times before.
Our Vicar remarked this morning that this year Lent was following rather hot on the heels of Christmas and making him feel a bit dizzy. Is it possible for the seasons to overlap - that is, can Easter ever be so early (in the Western church) that Ash Wednesday falls before Candlemas?
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Not quite but very nearly- AIUI the earliest date that Ash Wednesday can fall is 4 February so there's always at least 3 February to catch your breath between the two!
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If you follow the BCP caldendar, Septuagesima can fall before Candlemass as it would this year.
In which case, Candlemass falls after the final Sundays after Epiphany and the run up to Lent has started.
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Enoch, I've come across (even led) lay intercessions from the central aisle (well, actually tucked just into the second crossing so the microphone wasn't a trip hazard) - facing forward with the congregation and as a part of the congregation. But I have experienced it in several other churches.
(I prefer an open ended bidding sentence and then silence for intercessions.)
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Intercessions (1): Christ Church Bath had (has?) a microphone at the back of the pews from which the intercessions were (are?) led.
Intercessions (2): I find it helpful to use a sequence of (a) Let us pray for; (b) brief pause; (c) an actual petition; (d) versicle/response. I'm a child of Series 3/ASB!
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Intercessions (1): Christ Church Bath had (has?) a microphone at the back of the pews from which the intercessions were (are?) led.
Intercessions (2): I find it helpful to use a sequence of (a) Let us pray for; (b) brief pause; (c) an actual petition; (d) versicle/response. I'm a child of Series 3/ASB!
I had a look at the website of Christ church Bath as I recall once going into a church in Bath and finding a BCP HC in progress, with the priest in surplice and scarf at the North End, which was rather thrilling, and I wondered if this was that. But no, I find that it is, even more thrillingly, a proprietary chapel. Bath is exactly the sort of place which must have been full of them once. I wonder how many still exist?
In re your thoughts on bidding prayers, I agree with you 100%. But i guess I am a series 3/ ASB child too.
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I had a look at the website of Christ church Bath as I recall once going into a church in Bath and finding a BCP HC in progress, with the priest in surplice and scarf at the North End, which was rather thrilling, and I wondered if this was that. But no, I find that it is, even more thrillingly, a proprietary chapel. Bath is exactly the sort of place which must have been full of them once. I wonder how many still exist?
I've just looked at their website too: what a shock! I've always associated Proprietary Chapels with BCP and snakes-belly churchmanship - clearly not in Bath!
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Originally posted by Vulpior:
I had a look at the website of Christ church Bath as I recall once going into a church in Bath and finding a BCP HC in progress, with the priest in surplice and scarf at the North End, which was rather thrilling, and I wondered if this was that. But no, I find that it is, even more thrillingly, a proprietary chapel. Bath is exactly the sort of place which must have been full of them once. I wonder how many still exist?
I've just looked at their website too: what a shock! I've always associated Proprietary Chapels with BCP and snakes-belly churchmanship - clearly not in Bath!
It is odd. Bath I would think in the 18th century would have been full of proprietary chapels, where those taking the waters would have gone to listen to fashionable preachers. That the one that has survived is catholic is interesting, and I guess there must be a story there.
The Grosvenor Chapel in Mayfair is not low, and that's probably the best known surviving proprietary chapel. All Saint's Margaret Street started out as one. And I guess the Shrine at Walsingham is one, but I doubt it is actually licensed under the Proprietary Chapels Act.
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Originally posted by Bibaculus:
It is odd. Bath I would think in the 18th century would have been full of proprietary chapels, where those taking the waters would have gone to listen to fashionable preachers. That the one that has survived is catholic is interesting, and I guess there must be a story there.
From memory (rather hazy and distant memory):
It was built as a church without pew rents. At that time, the typical parish church charged pew rents, so if you couldn't pay you couldn't go to church. Hence there was a movement to build churches without pew rents so that poor servants could actually go to church. (I don't know whether the idea of providing free pews in ordinary churches crossed anyone's mind) I don't actually know why it was set up as a proprietary chapel and not a chapel of ease of the parish, but it was. As an aside, I think St Mary's Bourne Street is another example of a church built to not charge pew rents.
Anyway, Christ Church started off as a typical Old High Church setup. I think that at the time, Walcott parish, the parish it was in, was a similar style (but without any riff-raff cluttering up the pews of course). Then the patronage of Walcott was bought by the Simeon Trustees at some point in the mid 19th century, and relations between the 2 churches have been frosty ever since. Attempts have been made to convert Christ Church to a parish, but these have always floundered.
The broader picture is that there was a load of nonconformist activity in Bath (Wesley, the Countess of Huntingdon etc) so some anglo-catholic patronage society whose name I forget was buying up a lot of churches to provide a counterbalance. The Simeon Trustees stepped in to provide a counterbalance to the anglo-catholics, and the 2 of them ended up owning almost every parish in the city centre. In that environment, I'm guessing that neither side wanted a new neutral parish springing up.
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Christ Church Bath attracts the more liberal types since most other churches in the city are either Forward in Faith or Evangelical.
Their recent parish profile, advertising for a new incumbent, requires someone in sympathy with the aims of the Sineon's Trust but it is fairly 'open'.
I know 2 retired priests who assist there and they are both liberal catholics.
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Asking on behalf of a friend here in the US who would like to purchase a statue of Our Lady of Walsingham. Do any of you know of a place in the US where one could be purchased (so as to avoid the transatlantic postage)? Many thanks for any help.
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If friend is in Chicago, I'd recommend going to talk to the nice people at Watra's. (Not the 1st floor; when you go in, let them know you need to go up to the church goods floor).
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I was intending to attend an Ash Wednesday service tomorrow but find myself struggling with a horrible flu. (Thanks flu shot for nothing.) What does one do on this particular day if they find themselves providentially hindered?
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